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09-24-2020, 04:03 PM #25
Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
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09-24-2020, 05:16 PM #26Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
Jimmy, that Ravens 2000 Defense was a whole different universe. I've been around for a long time (as have many others), but never saw a "D" that was so dominant. I believe Brian Billick used to ask Marvin Lewis (our Defensive Coordinator) how many points the Ravens had to score to win each game. Marvin would usually say "10"
Wikiperia : " The Ravens defense in 2000 is often named among the greatest NFL defenses of all time. Baltimore gave up only 970 rushing yards (60.6 per game) all year, an NFL record for a 16-game season, and 186 fewer yards than the next lowest team, Baltimore's Super Bowl XXXV opponent, the New York Giants. Baltimore gave up only five rushing touchdowns all season, and allowed a paltry 2.7 yards per rush, both league bests. Baltimore only allowed 165 points all season, also an NFL record for a 16-game season. Including the postseason, Baltimore's defense allowed only 167 points in 20 games to opposing offenses that year (8.35 per game). The Ravens allowed three other touchdowns that came from their opponents’ defense and special teams (two interception returns and one kickoff return). Furthermore, the Ravens recovered an astronomical 26 opponents fumbles during the season, double the total of the second-ranked team. Their defense also intercepted 23 passes to give them a total of 49 turnovers forced that season, most in the NFL. They did all of this despite their own offense's passing struggles and going five consecutive games without scoring a touchdown. "
Didn't we just love the total smackdown we put on the Gints (34 - 7) in Super Bowl XXXV... Bc
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09-25-2020, 08:56 AM #27Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
the picture of LJ and the OL from this article is SO FREAKING COOL. i can't link the image directly for some reason but The Guardian isn't paywalled so anyone can read the article and see it for themselves. can't do a workaround either on my work computer other than attaching the pic to the post.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-mahomes-lamar
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09-26-2020, 11:15 AM #28Legendary RSR Poster
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09-26-2020, 01:58 PM #29
Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
"Did Ed Reed get the respect that he deserves? No he did not...Am I gonna get it? Probably won't. Hopefully he do. If I don't, then, hey, man, I'm alright with me." - Ed Reed
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Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
Awesome picture!
It’s a reminder of how chaotic a pocket can be.
For those that didn’t watch him at Louisville that is what most of his drop backs looked like.
In my layman’s observation it looked like Lamar had to learn how to throw from a narrow base because his OL was often in his lap. I think his short stride and short throwing “porch” were an adaptations to his pass protection.
We should be thankful that Louisville OL was bad because a lot of his poise was developed by learning how to operate in that crucible.
In Ken film study terminology Lamar didn’t have the luxury of ATS (ample time and space)
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09-26-2020, 05:02 PM #31
Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
It's not just you, Jim, it's almost everybody. All but a few experts confidently told us Baker, Darnold, Rosen and Allen would be better than Lamar. Have they even tried to learn the "Lessons of Lamar"? I havent seen much evidence. PFF were still trying to tell us to ignore the evidence of our lying eyes last season, that Wilson was the MVP.
It's almost impossible to see college football here in Scotland but it was obvious, as soon as Lamar started for the Ravens, that his decision making and reading of defenses was much better than the other 2018 QBs. I wondered what the draft people had been watching.
It wasn't as if there weren't signs that they were getting things wrong. Most reluctantly admitted Deshaun Watson was a 'gamer' but thought Trubisky was better. They were surprised Mahomes went as high as he did, too.
Is race an element of this misjudgement I wonder? It seems like more black QBs have been catatrophically undervalued in the last decade - Wilson lasted until the third round. Are old school scouts unconsciously marking them down?
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09-26-2020, 05:38 PM #32
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09-26-2020, 06:27 PM #33
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09-26-2020, 06:28 PM #34
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09-26-2020, 06:56 PM #35Four-eyed Raven
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Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
I tend to think so. But it's complicated. Two major things:
1. Scouting IS comparing kids to players you've seen before. There's just no way around that.
Lamar's rushing ability is too big to see around. Every scout comped him to Michael Vick, because obviously. And once you see Vick, you have a guy who isn't a very good passer in your head. Even Bobby Petrino couldn't look past the running to see Lamar's passing ability. Lville's head recruiter called Lamar's HS coach and had him submit a new recruiting tape, "without all the running shit in the front".
Wilson was too short. The most color-blind scout in the world would hesitate to push him as a high pick.
(Probably Wilson's success was a huge factor in Kyler Murray going #1 overall 7 yrs later.)
2. Black QBs have been over-drafted before, AND white QBs have been overlooked in the draft.
Jamarcus Russell went #1 overall; colossal bust. Byron Leftwich went #7 overall, despite having no mobility and a huge slow windup & release that could not ever translate to the NFL.
4x Pro Bowler Tony Romo went undrafted. Hall of Famer Kurt Warner went undrafted. Tom motherfucken Brady fell to the sixth round. It does happen that talented white QBs get missed.
I lean toward thinking there was a racial element in the mis-evaluation of Lamar. But it's tough to tease out the "racial" strands from all the other strands: standard-issue incompetence, the overwhelming distortion of the Michael Vick comp, inherent difficulty in scouting the position, and so on.
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09-26-2020, 08:25 PM #36
Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread
Of course players of all races have been both under and over valued but it's noticable how so many good black QBs have been under-rated. Dak in the 4th, far below Paxton Lynch and Hackenberg, is another example.
A lot of scouts will have been taught how to evaluate before black QBs were entirely trusted, which is a relatively recent development, so there's bound to be some lingering drag on their grades.
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