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  1. #13

    Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread

    Baldy's Breakdown (from Week 1).

    "an efficient machine all day"

    https://www.nfl.com/videos/baldy-s-b...achine-all-day
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    Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jam31 View Post
    "an efficient machine all day"
    Perhaps what is most impressive about that week 1 dominance is how much duress Lamar was under during it.

    2nd most pressure according to PFF (48.3% of dropbacks), ample time and space (ATS) on only 4 of 27 drop backs (15%) according to Filmstudy. Crazy.

    Not like that Browns secondary was anything other than swiss cheese, but still amazing poise





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    First 15 minutes of this podcast previews today's game but really just pumps up Mr. Jackson

    https://www.theringer.com/2020/9/17/...m-bradys-debut
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    Good stuff from Jonas Shaffer as usual. Remember when Jackson threw the worm-burner against the Panthers and Ravens fans lost their collective minds?

    "In Year 3, at age 23, Jackson has evolved into one of the NFL’s most accurate passers, a transformation that seemed impossible two years ago. Even as a Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback at Louisville, he never completed better than 59.1% of his passes in a season.

    Through two games this month, Jackson is 38-for-49 (77.6%). Only Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson (82.5%) has been more accurate, and according to the Elias Sports Bureau, Wilson’s completion percentage is the highest in NFL history after the first two weeks of a season with a minimum of 50 attempts.

    'I feel good,' Jackson said Sunday. 'But, you know, there’s still some passes that I want back. But that’s what I’m going to get at when I get out there on the practice field. That’s when the mechanics and throws that I want or didn’t have in the game, that’s when that takes over. It starts in practice.'"

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...gge-story.html
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    Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jam31 View Post
    Good stuff from Jonas Shaffer as usual. Remember when Jackson threw the worm-burner against the Panthers and Ravens fans lost their collective minds?

    "In Year 3, at age 23, Jackson has evolved into one of the NFL’s most accurate passers, a transformation that seemed impossible two years ago. Even as a Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback at Louisville, he never completed better than 59.1% of his passes in a season.

    Through two games this month, Jackson is 38-for-49 (77.6%). Only Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson (82.5%) has been more accurate, and according to the Elias Sports Bureau, Wilson’s completion percentage is the highest in NFL history after the first two weeks of a season with a minimum of 50 attempts.

    'I feel good,' Jackson said Sunday. 'But, you know, there’s still some passes that I want back. But that’s what I’m going to get at when I get out there on the practice field. That’s when the mechanics and throws that I want or didn’t have in the game, that’s when that takes over. It starts in practice.'"

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...gge-story.html
    Everyone said it was impossible to improve his completion percentage.

    IMO his accuracy was always there. He struggled when he let his mechanics get away from him. You can really tell he's spent a lot of time on his footwork and stuff. He looks buttery smooth this season.

    https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/1...597026816?s=20

    You just can't say enough about him. It warms my heart watching this kid grow each week.





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    Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jam31 View Post
    Good stuff from Jonas Shaffer as usual. Remember when Jackson threw the worm-burner against the Panthers and Ravens fans lost their collective minds?

    "In Year 3, at age 23, Jackson has evolved into one of the NFL’s most accurate passers, a transformation that seemed impossible two years ago. Even as a Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback at Louisville, he never completed better than 59.1% of his passes in a season.

    Through two games this month, Jackson is 38-for-49 (77.6%). Only Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson (82.5%) has been more accurate, and according to the Elias Sports Bureau, Wilson’s completion percentage is the highest in NFL history after the first two weeks of a season with a minimum of 50 attempts.

    'I feel good,' Jackson said Sunday. 'But, you know, there’s still some passes that I want back. But that’s what I’m going to get at when I get out there on the practice field. That’s when the mechanics and throws that I want or didn’t have in the game, that’s when that takes over. It starts in practice.'"

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...gge-story.html
    Thanks for passing that along, good article....although it still creases me that media types don't own up to their own groupthink/misevaluation.


    Lamar isn't the only QB that worked with Tom House or that puts in work in the offseason.
    Lamar should no doubt get praise for his offseason work but it seems like they over emphasize his offseason work to explain away the fact that they got it wrong to start.

    Respect goes out to Ravens Front Office for identifying talent.
    Quote Originally Posted by John Harbaugh
    “When you watched Lamar [in college], we felt like he had arm talent, and he had accuracy — that he had the ability to be accurate,” said Monday.
    "Those corners...and those safeties are going to be one-on-one... and we got to make them pay for it," Harbs

    "I think he’d be[Lamar] the greatest player in the history of the game,” Young said





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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Everyone said it was impossible to improve his completion percentage.

    IMO his accuracy was always there. He struggled when he let his mechanics get away from him. You can really tell he's spent a lot of time on his footwork and stuff. He looks buttery smooth this season.

    https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/1...597026816?s=20

    You just can't say enough about him. It warms my heart watching this kid grow each week.
    Buttery indeed. You really can't say enough good about him. Thanks for excellent vids via the twitter link.

    Did you see there that somebody posted a great throw by Darnold and was complaining that if it was Jackson or Mahomes it'd be all over Sportscenter? LOL
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    Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jam31 View Post
    Buttery indeed. You really can't say enough good about him. Thanks for excellent vids via the twitter link.

    Did you see there that somebody posted a great throw by Darnold and was complaining that if it was Jackson or Mahomes it'd be all over Sportscenter? LOL
    Lol yeah that’s what happens with good players that make highlight plays all the time.

    Maybe if darnold could compete passes longer than 5 yards he would be on there too. Lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by edromeo View Post
    Thanks for passing that along, good article....although it still creases me that media types don't own up to their own groupthink/misevaluation.


    Lamar isn't the only QB that worked with Tom House or that puts in work in the offseason.
    Lamar should no doubt get praise for his offseason work but it seems like they over emphasize his offseason work to explain away the fact that they got it wrong to start.

    Respect goes out to Ravens Front Office for identifying talent.
    Amen, Ed. Which reminds me...let us never forget the many Ravens faithful that mocked his personal QB coach Josh Harris for practicing with Lamar on a shoddy field alongside his son who was in 8th or 9th grade at the time. He could NEVER help Lamar now could he? Harris demands respect and he certainly deserves whatever little credit is leftover after accounting for Lamar's passion, coachability, and natural ability AS A GIFTED PASSER!
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    I'll be honest, I was not a fan of the Lamar pick. I don't watch college ball and all I saw was his stats, while incredible, the completion percentage worried me. I can't remember who said it and posted it but that barely any qbs improve their comp% more than 5 so I was clearly worried. Well, I am an idiot. He proved me dead wrong and did it in one off season basically

    It really blows my mind how people can still sit here and say that he can't throw when basically every single throwing metric he is close to the top of the list. It's incredible and I can't think of any player of recent thst improved so drastically so quick. The kid is phenomenal

    As some started above. Never thought I'd see a raven team just flat out stomping people with offense. I love having a bad ass mean fuck you up defense, but those games were always bail biters 20-17 types. Now we legitimately have a top 3 offense and a top 3 defense.

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    Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    IMO his accuracy was always there. He struggled when he let his mechanics get away from him.
    This. And frankly, Lamar has caused me to reconsider what I think accuracy even is.

    Accuracy has always been my sine qua non for a QB prospect. Without accuracy, you don't have a passer. And before Lamar I was always comfortable with completion% as an indicator for accuracy. For Kyle Boller, the tape and the completion% agreed: the guy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Most QBs are like that. The stats and the tape tell basically the same story; or stories that you can reconcile with each other, even they might not agree on every last detail

    Lamar is really the first QB prospect that I've noticed, where the tape showed a guy with fantastic ball placement & touch, and at the same time the completion% was terrifyingly close to the line where he shouldn't even be drafted. It was weird. I've always been a stat guy: but here I trusted my eyes more than the numbers. It was an anomaly. Confusing.

    Ultimately stuff like Ben Solak's write-ups, and Matt Waldman's, and one or two others helped me understand what I was seeing.

    • Lamar had great ball placement and touch on the deep passes and the difficult passes, because he does have that.
    • The LVille offense had basically none of the easy throws that other college QBs get, to beef up their stats. So Lamar's stats had very little fat.
    • And Lamar had a real flaw, a tendency to get lazy or nonchalant on passes that seemed "easy" to him.

    The flaw showed up when he had to throw outside of the "cone" of his downfield-vision: reposition his body to throw to either sideline. Also Waldman pointed out that Lamar's footwork was better under center than from the shotgun: which makes sense, you have defined steps from under center, whereas from shotgun it's muddier.

    Once I saw (or read about) the thing with Lamar's stance-width and stride-width, everything fell into place and made sense. Lamar had very high-level accuracy and ball-placement and touch; but also his throwing mechanics from the waist down were, uh, unrefined. He was accurate but inconsistent.



    Was this a new thing for everyone else? It was for me. A real education. I'd always thought of "accuracy" as a thing that a passer always just has. And it's measured by completion%. Maybe you need to make an adjustment for drops (and throwaways etc). Maybe another kind of adjustment for a QB operating a dink-&-dunk offense with tons of easy short passes. But basically completion% tells most of the story.

    I'd never seen a player who was so poorly described by completion%, before Lamar. Always before, completion% told me a whole lot of what I wanted to know. Not in Lamar's case. This is a passer who was basically on-point ALWAYS when his feet were right; like, magically on-point, a tremendously accurate passer. Gifted. And a passer who was basically ALWAYS trash when his feet were wrong; like, terribly so. Dirting balls, sailing them over his receivers head, just every kind of comical bad throw you could think of.

    This was a QB who was great at the advanced hard stuff: reading the defense, ball placement deep downfield, pocket presence, etc. And terrible at the easy stuff: placing his feet correctly to throw a swing pass. It was weird. I had never seen it before.

    The lesson for me when looking at college QBs is – well. Honestly, I haven't yet figured out what the lesson is. At the very least there's, "accuracy is not just completion %." Also there's a bit of, "you have to look at some of the tape, not just the stats, when evaluating college QBs." I'm not there yet. I'm still processing all the "Lessons of Lamar".

    But I know now that accuracy is not what I thought it was.





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    Re: The Official 2020 Lamar Jackson / Defending MVP Appreciation Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by usmccharles View Post
    As some started above. Never thought I'd see a raven team just flat out stomping people with offense. I love having a bad ass mean fuck you up defense, but those games were always bail biters 20-17 types. Now we legitimately have a top 3 offense and a top 3 defense.
    Yeah! The current situation is mind-blowing. What we're used to is the defense holding the opponent to 13 pts, and we figure Stover can give us 5 FGs for the win. This is a whole different world.





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