Ravens Are Great: Final Piece?

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 09-14-2020, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Bowser had a sack yesterday.

I think he's extablishing himself as a pretty versatile quality NFL starter. He's not a sack specialist, but I think he can be a poor man's JJ...not as big and imposing, but more athletic. I'd look to extend him to a modest deal.

**sflegend89** · 09-14-2020, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Bowser had a sack yesterday.

Like I said in the OP, it was a nice play but it didn't really speak to his pass rushing skills. Bowser was on like a delay/dummy rush and Chuck Clark actually came screaming through the B gap on a designed blitz and pushed Mayfield out of the pocket and right into Bowser on his delay.

**QtR Nevermore** · 09-14-2020, 11:50 AM

All this talk of Ziggy Ansah is confusing me. Has no-one seen how terrible he's been for the last few years?

Having seen DJ Fluker, I think a back up tackle might be a more pressing need - Wink can always manufacture pass rush if need be. If there's no one available I wouldn't be averse to trading a little draft capital for some OT depth. An injury to Ronnie or Orlando could derail the season.

**Pshawww** · 09-14-2020, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I kinda agree...I don't think a guy off the street is going to make a huge difference here. It isn't like Judon/McPhee/Bowser are bad and at replacement level, those guys are solid NFL starting caliber guys...it isn't quite like ILB last year where Young and Peanut were just awful.

They just don't have a dominant guy. I don't think Ziggy/Wake/Matthews are those guys anymore.

I'd hold onto that money in case a real difference maker becomes available in a trade or roll it over to next year.

That’s where I’m at.

**Desert Raven** · 09-14-2020, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by QtR Nevermore

All this talk of Ziggy Ansah is confusing me. Has no-one seen how terrible he's been for the last few years?

Having seen DJ Fluker, I think a back up tackle might be a more pressing need - Wink can always manufacture pass rush if need be. If there's no one available I wouldn't be averse to trading a little draft capital for some OT depth. An injury to Ronnie or Orlando could derail the season.

Nobody out there for OT depth would be any better than Fluker (I didn’t really notice him being that terrible when he stepped in for Stanley)

I don’t get love for Ansah either, but Matthews had 8 sacks last season so that’s not nothing.

**usmccharles** · 09-14-2020, 12:24 PM

While i agree the pash rush was not impressive by any means, pretty sure Cleveland has built up there OL. I would say lets give it till week 4 and see how things are so we can have more info to judge

**PGCountyRaven85** · 09-14-2020, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Desert Raven

Nobody out there for OT depth would be any better than Fluker (I didn’t really notice him being that terrible when he stepped in for Stanley)

I don’t get love for Ansah either, but Matthews had 8 sacks last season so that’s not nothing.

I would definitely pickup Clay Matthews as a pass rushing specialist, he at least moves the needle at getting pressure on the QB. Ziggy Ansah looked slow AF with Seattle last year, no explosiveness whatsoever.

**HanktheRIPPER** · 09-14-2020, 12:27 PM

If Mathews is the best available then I’m in. Any little bit helps right? It will probably be like KC picking up Suggs last year minimal impact but who knows?

**redmike34** · 09-14-2020, 12:28 PM

If we're talking about signing old guys on their last legs anyway, Sizzle is still out there... (can't find a ducking emoji).

**sflegend89** · 09-14-2020, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by QtR Nevermore

All this talk of Ziggy Ansah is confusing me. Has no-one seen how terrible he's been for the last few years?

Having seen DJ Fluker, I think a back up tackle might be a more pressing need - Wink can always manufacture pass rush if need be. If there's no one available I wouldn't be averse to trading a little draft capital for some OT depth. An injury to Ronnie or Orlando could derail the season.

I think that's true for pretty much every contender and their starting Tackle(s). Teams typically don't have starting caliber OT's on the bench, they usually are the caliber of guys like Fluker who are a liability compared to the starter but serviceable in an emergency. I don't think we need to pre-emptively trade for another reserve Tackle. That's something you do when you actually have a confirmed long term injury.

If we trade for a pass rusher they can play right away, just has to be right player & right price as always. I'm hoping Washington starts to tank so we can go after Ryan Kerrigan

**Desert Raven** · 09-14-2020, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by redmike34

If we're talking about signing old guys on their last legs anyway, Sizzle is still out there... (can't find a ducking emoji).

I’d welcome Suggs back in a second in fact I’d love it. Return for his swan song, and leave like Ray did.

**sflegend89** · 09-14-2020, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by HanktheRIPPER

If Mathews is the best available then I’m in. Any little bit helps right? It will probably be like KC picking up Suggs last year minimal impact but who knows?

I think Matthews has more juice than Sizz did last year, he already had an offer from Denver. Sounds like he's only unemployed over money demands. The hope would be that he sees how good the Ravens are again this year and gives us the discount that he wasn't willing to give Denver in order to play for a Super Bowl contender.