How did Phillips play at RG?

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 09-18-2020, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by WNCRavensFan

That's the real goal of analytics. Finding market inefficiencies. Arm length is not much different than height, 40 time, bench reps, what have you - there is a correlation but it's not exact. Most small players (height/weight) don't make it at, say, LB if they're not fast enough (and that's the thing - speed for how much mass you have). But special players do buck the trend. The Ravens may have identified an inefficiency.
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Pretty bang on here.

You don't excel because of your arm length. But it sure doesn't hurt.

As for the Ravens approach. Greg Roman prefers gap, but runs a versatile scheme. They've been bringing in guys that are good fits in gap offenses, but have justtttt enough versatility to be able to run some zone concepts.

They're not going to run wide zone 5-7 times per game. But theyll run 4 powers, make you adjust and then do an outside zone run to keep you off kilter.

That's the beauty of Roman's playcalling and that's why they're bringing in these guys IMO.

**QtR Nevermore** · 09-19-2020, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven

Pretty bang on here.

You don't excel because of your arm length. But it sure doesn't hurt.

Just read/watched your Phillips breakdown. It's good stuff.

As an O line guy when you say arm length 'doesn't hurt' do you mean that it's nice to have but not necessary or is it vital to play certain positions? Or is it somewhere in between?

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 09-19-2020, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by QtR Nevermore

Just read/watched your Phillips breakdown. It's good stuff.

As an O line guy when you say arm length 'doesn't hurt' do you mean that it's nice to have but not necessary or is it vital to play certain positions? Or is it somewhere in between?

It’s an advtange for sure but like anything you still need to know how to use it properly.

Some of these guys coming out are so used to using length that when they get to the NFL and other guys are bigger and stronger they need to relearn how to play the position.

Look no further than Orlando Brown Jr. he has completely modified his technique and uses his length properly but back in his rookie year he was firing his hands way too soon which is a sign of what I’m referring to.

Phillips could be having similar issues in cases I showed where he’s over extending. He’s trying to get his hands on the defender to lock in his reach advantage but timing is still vital.

**JimZipCode** · 09-19-2020, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by John Reglarperson

I'm not really sure that what they're doing...

Dude. Two words: paragraph breaks.

**pslholder96** · 09-21-2020, 10:46 AM

Bump
The eye test says he had a bad game. Curious to see how Filmstudy grades him this week.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 09-21-2020, 10:49 AM

He got his ass kicked by a future HOF. For the record, so did Brown.

Personally, I'd sit him and play Fluker and let him continue to learn and work on his technique, but the team may feel that Fluker is too valuable as a swing tackle.

He's really raw...you can see the physical talent, but he's got a ways to go in order to be consistent. Lack of OTA's and preseason games really impacted him IMHO.

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 09-21-2020, 11:44 AM

A lot of issues Phillips has (Diagnosing the defense and foot speed in pass pro) are issues Fluker has too. I dont think it's wroth the move when you lose the guy that is your swing tackle.

It sucks, but it's just where we're at right now.

**QtR Nevermore** · 09-21-2020, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Personally, I'd sit him and play Fluker and let him continue to learn and work on his technique, the team may feel that Fluker is too valuable as a swing tackle.
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It might be the combination of the raw rookie next to a Skura some way below his best that's the issue. Whether it's Fluker for Tyre or Mekari for Skura, I think one more reliable player (but lower ceiling player) would help against Chris Jones next week.

**lobachevsky** · 09-21-2020, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by JimZipCode

Dude. Two words: paragraph breaks.

Two more words: fulminating logorrhea.

I may have to lob Johnny OneNotePerson into the Ignoratory just because I can't bear to see huge masses of bytes tortured at once. It's like watching Stalin deport entire populations to the gulag.

**BcRaven** · 09-21-2020, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Two more words: fulminating logorrhea.

I may have to lob Johnny OneNotePerson into the Ignoratory just because I can't bear to see huge masses of bytes tortured at once. It's like watching Stalin deport entire populations to the gulag.

LOL, bravo loba! You never fail to delight with sophisticated verbiage that is informative and entertaining.

That's me in applause (well, maybe 40 years ago, and perhaps I didn't look as good then either, but you get the picture)... Bc

**John Reglarperson** · 09-21-2020, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Two more words: fulminating logorrhea.

I may have to lob Johnny OneNotePerson into the Ignoratory just because I can't bear to see huge masses of bytes tortured at once. It's like watching Stalin deport entire populations to the gulag.

Is it now?

And what IS that "one note"?

Is that "one note" what I put up the wall of text about?