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Re: 9/11 and Biden - Biden was against the raid that killed Bin Laden
Bin Laden had 10 years (?) to turn himself in to American authorities to face justice for his crimes. He did not because he had no interest in surrendering. Instead he kept fleeing, killing Americans, and continuing his proclaimed war on America. Few in the history of humanity had their death coming to them as much as he did. He was not murdered.
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09-11-2020, 07:13 PM #38Veteran Poster
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Re: 9/11 and Biden - Biden was against the raid that killed Bin Laden
Once again, we do not, as Americans target people for assassination. Not even fugitives from justice. Not even fugitives from war crime accusations.
If the speculation is true that he made no effort to resist his capture, and that there was a standing kill order issued before the Seals even entered the compound... and he was shot in the head regardless of whether he resisted... that would be an assassination... a murder...
Telling me he had it coming is something I already know, and agree with. It doesn't change the circumstances, nor does it absolve us of our obligation to do it correctly if that is possible. If a standing kill order was in effect when the Seals entered the compound, then those who issued the order were in the wrong.
You are obviously a moral relativist... a practitioner of situational ethics.
I am not.
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09-11-2020, 07:23 PM #40Veteran Poster
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Re: 9/11 and Biden - Biden was against the raid that killed Bin Laden
I don't think it is accurate to call me a moral relativist. Because I'm not arguing that it was sometimes ok to kill Bin Laden under the circumstances of his death and sometimes it is not. I'm saying it is ALWAYS ok to kill Bin Laden under the circumstances of his death.
All I see from you is rabid speculation with no facts behind.
There may have been a kill order.
There may have been no gun.
The helicopter may or may not have taken fire when approaching.
Bin Laden may have been surrendering.
This is all speculation.
We do know Bin Laden declared war on the United States. Bin Laden masterminded and funded the deaths of 1000s of Americans. Bin Laden then continued his war across several countries and a decade of time. He continued calling for war against the United States and continued to kill her citizens. He was unrepentant until his eye was shot out.
Bin Laden got exactly what was coming to him. And to call it assination or murder requires inventing facts.
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Re: 9/11 and Biden - Biden was against the raid that killed Bin Laden
The difference with Solemani is in order to justify it we would have needed actionable intelligence. Of course that will never be made public so we can only speculate on its existence.
It's the exact opposite case of Bin Laden.
We need to speculate to justify Solemani's death. You need to speculate to criticize Bin Laden's.
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09-11-2020, 07:53 PM #46Veteran Poster
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Re: 9/11 and Biden - Biden was against the raid that killed Bin Laden
You are a moral relativist because you tell me that it is somehow rightful for the government to take a man's life based on accusations of a crime, when you would very obviously object to that standard if it were applied to you.
All I see from you is rabid speculation with no facts behind.
I'm right here in the room with you... no need to get excited... Show me I'm wrong, and I'll concede. Wish I could say the same for you.
There may have been a kill order.
https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/navy-...ry?id=17200191
There may have been no gun.
https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama...ry?id=13520152
The helicopter may or may not have taken fire when approaching.
Bin Laden may have been surrendering.
This is all speculation.
I had expected better.
We do know Bin Laden declared war on the United States.
Bin Laden masterminded and funded the deaths of 1000s of Americans. Bin Laden then continued his war across several countries and a decade of time. He continued calling for war against the United States and continued to kill her citizens. He was unrepentant until his eye was shot out.
Bin Laden got exactly what was coming to him.
We don't disagree over whether he deserved death.
We disagree over whether we as a nation consider it morally justifiable that someone be shot on sight while attempting to apprehend them, if they do not resist our attempts to apprehend them.
I submit that you would object to this standard if it were applied to you.
And that this makes you a rather transparent moral relativist.Last edited by owknows; 09-11-2020 at 08:02 PM.
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09-11-2020, 07:59 PM #47Veteran Poster
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09-11-2020, 08:33 PM #48Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: 9/11 and Biden - Biden was against the raid that killed Bin Laden
You mean like Obama? You freaking hypocrite.
It's called leadership, and judgement.
I have thought Joe Biden was an idiot since 1988. Anyone who has seen him in action as an adult knows he is and always has be-en a clownish buffoon. He's probably the reason I am not a Democrat as my family are die-hard Democrats and seeing him in 88 and especially in 91 made quite an impression on me. The weird facial expressions and general the goofiness and grandstanding.... he's an idiot... that an knowing in my gut Bill Clinton was a scumbag and he and Hillary were lying power mad scumbags. I did not vote in 84 or 88...when I saw Bill and Hillary on that 60 minutes post game interview I was like, these people are lying and full of shit.... I have been proven right. And I'm right about Biden. The fact you are defending him makes me respect you even less than I already do. You are captain contrary.
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