Democratic Party moves farther left - Elliot Engel Out

**BustOfPallas** · 07-17-2020, 01:10 PM

This is similar to AOC's win in that the guy is a political novice/upstart and is going to be much farther left than the person he's replacing. Also I'd be remiss if I did not point out he's a person of color.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bow...engel-new-york

I think Pelosi's job just got a little harder.

If Democrats manage to sweep congress this Fall there will be some really, really far left legislation being crafted and pushed. With no veto power we could see that transformation Joe is talking about.

**wickedsolo** · 07-17-2020, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by BustOfPallas

This is similar to AOC's win in that the guy is a political novice/upstart and is going to be much farther left than the person he's replacing. Also I'd be remiss if I did not point out he's a person of color.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bow...engel-new-york

I think Pelosi's job just got a little harder.

If Democrats manage to sweep congress this Fall there will be some really, really far left legislation being crafted and pushed. With no veto power we could see that transformation Joe is talking about.

Everyone should have known that was going to happen though.

Engel's dumbazz was caught on a hot mic saying something to the affect of "I'm only here because it's election season, otherwise I wouldn't care"....

Bowman's politics are definitely moving towards the extreme left, but frankly people like Engel are a huge part of the problem in that DC "Establishment/Swamp" culture. Fuck him.

**bandc** · 07-17-2020, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by BustOfPallas

This is similar to AOC's win in that the guy is a political novice/upstart and is going to be much farther left than the person he's replacing. Also I'd be remiss if I did not point out he's a person of color.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bow...engel-new-york

I think Pelosi's job just got a little harder.

If Democrats manage to sweep congress this Fall there will be some really, really far left legislation being crafted and pushed. With no veto power we could see that transformation Joe is talking about.

This is beautiful. Now all we need is for Pelosi to lose her seat and we can really start to get to cookin'. I actually have hope for the country now.

**bandc** · 07-17-2020, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Everyone should have known that was going to happen though.

Engel's dumbazz was caught on a hot mic saying something to the affect of "I'm only here because it's election season, otherwise I wouldn't care"....

Bowman's politics are definitely moving towards the extreme left, but frankly people like Engel are a huge part of the problem in that DC "Establishment/Swamp" culture. Fuck him.

This should be shouted from the hilltops. If there is anything the right and left should agree on, is that these Schumer, Engel, Pelosi types need to be exposed and shown the door. It's about time.

**BustOfPallas** · 07-17-2020, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Everyone should have known that was going to happen though.

Engel's dumbazz was caught on a hot mic saying something to the affect of "I'm only here because it's election season, otherwise I wouldn't care"....

Bowman's politics are definitely moving towards the extreme left, but frankly people like Engel are a huge part of the problem in that DC "Establishment/Swamp" culture. Fuck him.

We need more moderates though. Not less. When we start seeing hard right and left candidates getting elected that just means a lot of instability and gridlock.

**owknows** · 07-17-2020, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by bandc

This should be shouted from the hilltops. If there is anything the right and left should agree on, is that these Schumer, Engel, Pelosi types need to be exposed and shown the door. It's about time.

Strangely, I don't think we disagree to a large extent on what constitutes the problem.

I think our conflict arises on solutions.

You seem to think that the solution to bad government is more government.

I believe that power corrupts... and that small government is the only antidote.

**esmd** · 07-17-2020, 02:48 PM

I dream of term limits....

**DitkasSausage** · 07-17-2020, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by owknows

Strangely, I don't think we disagree to a large extent on what constitutes the problem.

I think our conflict arises on solutions.

You seem to think that the solution to bad government is more government.

I believe that power corrupts... and that small government is the only antidote.

Honestly... in the grand scheme of things, this guy will be about as effective as AOC... which is "not at all". You cannot put foolish idealogues in congress and expect change. Basically this districts progressive base decided they didn't want a seat at the table, and like AOCs district, they will all suffer for it.

What these people don't realize is that, while a reprehensible dirtbag... Engle was likely able to funnel federal money into his district. But now, with some blowhard buffoon in that seat, you really think anyone that matters is even going to let legislation touch his desk? AOC hasn't been able to earmark one successful bill in congress because they know the second she touches it, it's going nowhere. She'll grab her best bill-writing crayon and try to earmark a cajillion dollars for cow farts, or shove a drawing she made during recess in the pile, and then it will get summarily thrown in the shredder of things that will never see a motion.

Do we need to replace people like Engle... yes... absolutely. I agree wholeheartedly that people like him ARE a problem. But we have a more choices than just column A: Swampmonster and column B: Progressive nutjob. There ARE intelligent moderates out there.

**owknows** · 07-17-2020, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by esmd

I dream of term limits....

I dream of a return to government that lives within the bounds of the powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

The founders understood the propensity for power and graft to corrupt, and so placed limits on their power for a reason.

The Constitutional Chains that used to bind government began to rust not long after they were forged.

There's nothing left of them.

**Dirt1** · 07-17-2020, 03:23 PM

The demographics of that district have changed dramatically in recent years. Engel is old and white, while the district he represents is younger and racially diverse. Engel has been in Congress for 31 years.

This is a progressive beating a moderate Democrat in a progressive district. No different from a conservative beating a moderate Republican in a conservative district. Nothing more.

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**BustOfPallas** · 07-17-2020, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dirt1

The demographics of that district have changed dramatically in recent years. Engel is old and white, while the district he represents is younger and racially diverse. Engel has been in Congress for 31 years.

This is a progressive beating a moderate Democrat in a progressive district. No different from a conservative beating a moderate Republican in a conservative district. Nothing more.

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It is what it is. A moderate being replaced by someone closer to the "extreme" wing of the party, pulling the party a little bit out with them.

These are the type of people that can't compromise which sometimes is needed to get things done. It's just more polarization.