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[ddr_jr]

Do I think Trump is the perfect vessel to reverse this problem?

No.

Do I think Trump is even an adequate vessel to reverse this problem?

No.

Do I think Trump is the ONLY vessel to have had the intestinal fortitude to even resist this problem?

Yes. In spite of what I would consider some pretty profound flaws, a generally cringe-worthy personality, egomania, and a political tin ear, he has shown enough heart to resist our headlong slide into abandonment of the Constitution, and an embrace of socialism. And most importantly, he does not apologize for it. Ever.

You may consider his unwillingness to apologize a flaw. I consider it one of his few redeeming qualities.

I just don't see how you can say Trump values the constitution. Yes, he is by the book in terms of immigration. However, when the constitution gets in HIS way, he quick to thumb his nose at it.

He just got slapped down by the SC in regards to his absolute immunity claims. Again another hypocrisy where right leaners would go apeshit if a Dem said that. He often uses Article 2 as a shield and says a president can do anything. He believes it. 8-2 decision....two of his nominees.

Yes, all presidents skirt the line.

Whenever I do pose this question in regards to Trump, supporters ALWAYS avoid the crux of the question. They just mention personality traits. If a person who's character, ethics, and morals are seriously flawed, how can you trust his motives. If you hire a shiester, how is that suppose to stop when he has MORE power and influence.

Did he see the light and get saved the minute he became president? The explanation I need for folks to explain why they can look past non personality type flaws. I feel like folks refuse to answer this question because it puts them in conflict.

I'm ok if the answer is simply.....he's a effed up person and I just don't care.

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[BustOfPallas]

I just don't see how you can say Trump values the constitution. Yes, he is by the book in terms of immigration. However, when the constitution gets in HIS way, he quick to thumb his nose at it.

He just got slapped down by the SC in regards to his absolute immunity claims. Again another hypocrisy where right leaners would go apeshit if a Dem said that. He often uses Article 2 as a shield and says a president can do anything. He believes it. 8-2 decision....two of his nominees.

Yes, all presidents skirt the line.

Whenever I do pose this question in regards to Trump, supporters ALWAYS avoid the crux of the question. They just mention personality traits. If a person who's character, ethics, and morals are seriously flawed, how can you trust his motives. If you hire a shiester, how is that suppose to stop when he has MORE power and influence.

Did he see the light and get saved the minute he became president? The explanation I need for folks to explain why they can look past non personality type flaws. I feel like folks refuse to answer this question because it puts them in conflict.

I'm ok if the answer is simply.....he's a effed up person and I just don't care.

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He's a NYC real estate guy and rich playboy with a closet full of ex-wives. I mean, what do you expect from him? In the case of Trump I don't think any of us didn't know exactly who he was coming into this.

You are like my brother. My brother can't stand him. I have always thought he was kind of cheesy myself and still shocked at how easily he mopped up the opposition in the primaries.

The guy was born for our current reality-tv culture. He understands it down to the level of his DNA. It's kind of remarkable really. It's like the Kardashian presidency. He plays for ratings as much as anything

I think his emphasis on putting this country on the best footing economically as possible is good. No other leader has addressed the threat China poses to our prosperity and the massive transfer of wealth through lopsided trade and outright theft.

You think China Joe is going to stand in that gap?

Democrats are too scared to be seen as "racist" or be politically incorrect to even look out for our own best interests.

I would take Trump over any Democrat for that reason. All Democrats will do is manage our decline and under them decline we will.

[ddr_jr]

He's a NYC real estate guy and rich playboy with a closet full of ex-wives. I mean, what do you expect from him? In the case of Trump I don't think any of us didn't know exactly who he was coming into this.

You are like my brother. My brother can't stand him. I have always thought he was kind of cheesy myself and still shocked at how easily he mopped up the opposition in the primaries.

The guy was born for our current reality-tv culture. He understands it down to the level of his DNA. It's kind of remarkable really. It's like the Kardashian presidency. He plays for ratings as much as anything

I think his emphasis on putting this country on the best footing economically as possible is good. No other leader has addressed the threat China poses to our prosperity and the massive transfer of wealth through lopsided trade and outright theft.

You think China Joe is going to stand in that gap?

Democrats are too scared to be seen as "racist" or be politically incorrect to even look out for our own best interests.

I would take Trump over any Democrat for that reason. All Democrats will do is manage our decline and under them decline we will.

If he doesn't find a way to win Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania at bare minimum, he's toast....at that point, every elected Republican will then sweep him under the bus...and at that point, every corrupt misdeeds or acts he's done will come out of the closet..to give them political cover for the sweeping under the bus.

Yes...thread topic changed and it's my fault...sorry.

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[Terpsfan82]

He's a NYC real estate guy and rich playboy with a closet full of ex-wives. I mean, what do you expect from him? In the case of Trump I don't think any of us didn't know exactly who he was coming into this.

You are like my brother. My brother can't stand him. I have always thought he was kind of cheesy myself and still shocked at how easily he mopped up the opposition in the primaries.

The guy was born for our current reality-tv culture. He understands it down to the level of his DNA. It's kind of remarkable really. It's like the Kardashian presidency. He plays for ratings as much as anything

I think his emphasis on putting this country on the best footing economically as possible is good. No other leader has addressed the threat China poses to our prosperity and the massive transfer of wealth through lopsided trade and outright theft.

You think China Joe is going to stand in that gap?

Democrats are too scared to be seen as "racist" or be politically incorrect to even look out for our own best interests.

I would take Trump over any Democrat for that reason. All Democrats will do is manage our decline and under them decline we will.

Agree with your entire post except the bold part. If he makes a push to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US thereby strengthening the middle class, I'll be convinced.

[blah3]

Agree with your entire post except the bold part. If he makes a push to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US thereby strengthening the middle class, I'll be convinced.

Little confused with this. Trump has pushed to bring back manufacturing, something the previous administration thought wasn’t really possible

[wickedsolo]

Little confused with this. Trump has pushed to bring back manufacturing, something the previous administration thought wasn’t really possible

I may be wrong, but to a certain degree...he's been successful with that. I seem to recall several auto manufacturers opening up new facilities in the US.

[owknows]

I just don't see how you can say Trump values the constitution. Yes, he is by the book in terms of immigration. However, when the constitution gets in HIS way, he quick to thumb his nose at it.

You seem to think I consider Trump a paragon of Constitutional virtue. I don't.

He is nowhere near my position on many issues with regard to the Constitution.

But unlike many (perhaps even most) of the candidates that I have had the opportunity to choose from, he actually recognizes that we have a Constitution, and that the power of government is constrained by it.

He just got slapped down by the SC in regards to his absolute immunity claims. Again another hypocrisy where right leaners would go apeshit if a Dem said that. He often uses Article 2 as a shield and says a president can do anything. He believes it. 8-2 decision....two of his nominees.

A couple points here... I certainly wouldn't point to the SC as an actual arbiter of Constitutionality. They have unfortunately become little more than another political branch of government, with each contingent straining their interpretation of the law to conform to the political expectations of their tribal contingent. Additionally, I don't think Trump was in the right here. But I can tell you that there has not been a president of the United States that has faced such a continuous barrage of harassment from every possible front from the very first day (and even prior) of his administration. It has been shameful what his political enemies have been willing to subject the country to in order to pillory him with abuse.

Yes, all presidents skirt the line.

Whenever I do pose this question in regards to Trump, supporters ALWAYS avoid the crux of the question. They just mention personality traits. If a person who's character, ethics, and morals are seriously flawed, how can you trust his motives. If you hire a shiester, how is that suppose to stop when he has MORE power and influence.

I don't believe that his character, ethics and morals are seriously flawed. At least not it any way that concerns me. I'm sure that Trump was sexually debaucherous in his day. I'm sure that he is egomaniacal. I'm sure that he makes expedient decisions that are sometimes impetuous. The same things can be said for Obama... and for Bill Clinton.. and for JFK... sexually debaucherous expedient egomaniacs all. (yes Obama)

I think it's hard to find an individual who actually WANTS to be president of the United States who doesn't have these characteristics. So they don't generally concern me. My greater concern is their devotion to the country, and equally as important, what they think that actually means.

Did he see the light and get saved the minute he became president? The explanation I need for folks to explain why they can look past non personality type flaws. I feel like folks refuse to answer this question because it puts them in conflict.

I don't refuse to answer this question. I'm pretty pragmatic about it in fact.

I'm ok if the answer is simply.....he's a effed up person and I just don't care.

Who isn't?

[jonboy79]

I may be wrong, but to a certain degree...he's been successful with that. I seem to recall several auto manufacturers opening up new facilities in the US.

Toyota and Mazda are currently building a factory in Georgia in large part due to confessions made by Trump to make that happen. Was planned for Mexico prior to NAFTA renegotiation.

My answer is that the ends justify the means.

He’s an edged up human being but I don’t care.

There is exactly one voting issue in my world. The economy, without a strong economy social policy is meaningless. I will always vote exclusively on y expectations of how a candidate will handle the economy.

Trump has been far and away the best at that in decades, perhaps centuries, so my vote was well cast.

I really don’t care if he is a POS, I care that he got us out of gwnerations of bad international agreements that put the US behind the 8 ball and losing ground on the rest of the planet basically since the end of WWII. The new deal and Japan reparations started us down the spiral.


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[wickedsolo]

Toyota and Mazda are currently building a factory in Georgia in large part due to confessions made by Trump to make that happen. Was planned for Mexico prior to NAFTA renegotiation.

My answer is that the ends justify the means.

He’s an edged up human being but I don’t care.

There is exactly one voting issue in my world. The economy, without a strong economy social policy is meaningless. I will always vote exclusively on y expectations of how a candidate will handle the economy.

Trump has been far and away the best at that in decades, perhaps centuries, so my vote was well cast.

I really don’t care if he is a POS, I care that he got us out of gwnerations of bad international agreements that put the US behind the 8 ball and losing ground on the rest of the planet basically since the end of WWII. The new deal and Japan reparations started us down the spiral.


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He also just finalized - or is close to finalizing - a new trade deal with Mexico. Hardly hear anyone talking about that.

[Ortizer]

Actual solutions include:

STOP PLAYING POLITICS WITH RACE

Return manufacturing jobs to the United States. They used to be a stepping stone out of poverty. Now that stepping stone is gone.

Stop pretending that college is for everyone, or that it even offers a benefit to most people. It doesn't

Offer insanely beneficial tax incentives to any company choosing to manufacture exclusively in the United States.

Declare most american cities, and a lot of the rust belt and appalachia "revitalization zones"

Offer even MORE beneficial tax incentives to any company choosing to build a manufacturing facility in a revitalization zone.

Offer even further beneficial tax incentives to any company choosing to establish apprenticeship programs for all positions, including traditionally "professional" positions.

Eliminate the stranglehold that inept administrators have on public education. Offer HUGE financial incentives to private alternatives in urban areas. Allow parents to choose where children attend school.

Stop incentivizing illlegitimate births, irresponsible behaviors, and unwillingness to care for one's own life by paying people money for it.

Stop the criminalization of drugs.

For starters

All of these seem like solid ideas

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[Ortizer]

I am unfamiliar with it.



I'm all about creative solutions to difficult problems. I'd like to learn more.



I guess I don't see the mirror. I have posted either the words of the officials being criticized, or direct characterizations of their positions as represented in media which is ostensibly favorable to their position (being careful not to mischaracterize)



The fact that you find the positions espoused by the mayors and city officials "Scary" says more about their position, than it does my honest portrayal of them. You might want to give that some thought.



You seem to be conflating two unrelated problems here. Excessive police violence, and budgetary excess. Not sure what one has to do with the other. But it's the same disingenuous stuff that some city officials are employing in an attempt to have their cake and eat it too.

Police are killing us! Defund the Police! they say... and then they cut 22 million in police boats and horses.

It's just more of the same political theater. We're both grown ups... we see it for what it is in those particular cases. No need to pretend.

But that does nothing to mitigate the fact that there are actually people calling for either eliminating or significantly defunding police and replacing them with social workers.



It ought to be real and significant criminal penalty for misconduct, not only on the part of the offending officer, but on the part of any officer who does not fulfill his duty to protect citizens against police miscreants as well.

And that is the only reform necessary. (specifically regarding police)



And while you continue to pretend that this has a meaningful impact, the real problems continue unaddressed.

If they'd stop flying the confederate flag in Pennsylvania I'd consider that a win. Their heritage is fighting the confederacy after all.

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[Ortizer]

The only people who think Trump grays the line are people who don't bother to listen or read what he says for themselves. That's how we got the whole Wuhan-flu is a Hoax crap and the Nazis are good people crap.

I don't want to play the whataboutism game, but if you want to see divisive, look at Obama. He very specifically said, "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or antitrade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations". He stoked racism with his comments about the justified by way of self-defense shootings of Travon Martin and Michael Brown. Hell, even CNN says he was divisive. https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/opini...ton/index.html Also have the IRS scandal, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, it seems he told the FBI to try ruining President Trump, etc...

Then there's Hillary.

If you don't think Trump is a good president, that's fine, but to sit there and whine about him being divisive is the height of hypocrisy for any leftist. Your side is burning cities and murdering children in the streets.

So how is lumping him in with the people looting and destroying statues, etc for being left of center better than when the left tries to lump everyone on the right in with the white supremacists?

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