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07-06-2020, 02:15 PM #25
Re: Zeitgeist Movie
LOL, now a great list of historians from that time that don't document Jesus. Nice job leaving out Josephus, the Jewish historian who worked for the Romans..
Oh, and one other guy. Luke, the gentile, who wrote the Gospel with his name and Acts. By all accounts Luke was a first rate historical writer and not one bit of either work has an error and of the dozens and dozens of things that can be verified in his writings all are spot on. So, yeah, some very good historical writers mention Jesus.
Selective evidence, another logical fallacy.
Oh, they did hit one point. Among Josephus' writings there was a likely forgery entered/added but it was in addition to a mention of Jesus and not the reference to Jesus, which dates back to the original.
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07-06-2020, 02:20 PM #26
Re: Zeitgeist Movie
Now they swung for the fences and hit the GRAND SLAM of historical stupidity. Jesus likely dd not exist.
Nobody with any stature in historical studies would claim such a monumentally stupid thing.
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07-06-2020, 02:38 PM #28
Re: Zeitgeist Movie
Okay, 33 minutes in and I am stopping for a while. Another 1:20 of this is not in the cards right now. I will come back to it.
But let's approach this from the other side given the "Jesus likely did not exist" claim.
There are thousands and thousands of NT scholars/historians writing out there and a very large number are most decidedly not Christian (see the Jesus Seminar for example). There may be one or two that claim Jesus did not exist but none that I have ever read or know about. But what do they say, non-believers included.
Over 90% agree that Jesus was crucified on a cross. I guess He had to exist for that to be a claim.
Over 90% believe Jesus was buried in a tomb owned by Joseph of Arimethea. This is important because the burial location was definitely known.
Over 90% believe Jesus tomb was found empty on a Sunday morning by a group of His women followers. Maybe Jesus was an early feminist. But given the testimony of a woman held little to no weight at that time it is unlikely anybody would use women in a made up story.
Over 90% agree that Jesus was seen alive after that. Yes, over 90% agree on that but with varying explanations (mass hallucinations for example, though mass hallucinations of the same thing don't happen).
Over 90% agree that His followers had a MASSIVE change in their religious views AFTER that Sunday. For example, Jewish belief held that a resurrection would only occur at the end of time, not one by itself.
These belief statements were put together by Dr. Gary Habermas. He wanted to know what the scholarship of NT historians thought. But he didn't do a survey in the traditional manner to avoid two issues. One, he couldn't expect answers from all prominent scholars in the field as many just wouldn't respond. Two, he didn't want to bias answers with how the questions were phrased. Instead he went through over two decades of writings in scholarly publications and used what they actually wrote on the various topics so bias was eliminated and anybody writing in respected publications would be included. Thousand and thousands of articles and the above is what is concluded by the scholars, including non-Christians.
Nobody claims that about Horus.
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07-06-2020, 02:41 PM #29
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07-06-2020, 10:52 PM #30Legendary RSR Poster
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07-07-2020, 12:37 AM #32Legendary RSR Poster
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You don't think it's odd that every religion seems to have the flood? Seems to be if they were all aware of God from the start (since obviously they weren't all worshiping him at that point), that it would lend credence to the tower is babel that they share events that occurred prior to it.
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07-07-2020, 05:39 AM #33
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