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Thread: Appreciate history!
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07-02-2020, 04:10 PM #289Regular 1st Stringer
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Wow... you are for real, arent you? Amazing, albeit sad.
Choose your own sources then! There isnīt one news report that doesnīt say this is what happened. And its embarrasing as hell for NASCAR, so why the fcuk would they lie about it? Besides, like I said, the part about who found it and when was avalible on sunday too, thats when we knew Bubba hadnīr even seen it, and then everyone thought it was a threat. So you days later insinuating that he might have staged it is ridiculous. If you wanna stick to your story, sorry, you have an agenda. Theres zero reason to doubt this story.
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07-02-2020, 04:32 PM #290Veteran Poster
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Maybe you don't know much about NASCAR... but they have for years labored under the accusation that their sport was unfair to Black Americans because it did not have a proportional representation of Black Drivers. And the Sports governing family, the Frances, went to great lengths to broaden the appeal of the sport to Black Drivers, going as far as to pay professional black athletes from other sports to make appearances at NASCAR events. But their efforts have proven largely unsuccessful, and Bubba Wallace has really been the only black driver of note for decades, and it is considered a poorly kept secret that NASCAR essentially coerced an ownership team into accepting him.
All that having been said... up comes this event. And it occurred to me (and in fact to MANY fans of the sport) that NASCAR (unbeknownst to Bubba Wallace) might be taking what was a "less than alarmed" bit of news that was flying around the pits about a noose, and amplified it into a full scale Black Lives Matter crusade, to project a more positive image with the Black Community as a result of their response to it. Thus potentially pulling in southern black viewers and fans of the sport.
Now this might not have occurred to you... but that doesn't particularly surprise me. And if it were true, you certainly wouldn't expect to read it in an article on ESPN. But it is an entirely plausible scenario, and one that I think is every bit as likely true, as not (given the way events unfolded).
The fact that you didn't grasp this possibility is not evidence of it's truth.. or of it's falsehood.Last edited by owknows; 07-02-2020 at 05:12 PM.
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07-02-2020, 05:04 PM #291Regular 1st Stringer
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I know quite a lot about NASCAR, as Iīve already mentioned. Iīm very aware of their Diversity Program(s).
Iīm not surprised to hear that in some circles itīs a "poorly kept secret" NASCAR handcuffed RPM into taking on Bubba. It happens all the time with various drivers in all catergories of racing for various, often financial, reasons, but lets leave it at that Wallace is more than a capable enough driver to warrant him having a seat, OK?
No, it didnīt cross my mind since there was absolutley no reason for it. Iīm not conspiratorial in general, and since itīs no secret at all that NASCAR scewed up and made quite fools of themselves as the story unfolded, during a time where they already had all the pulicity of that kind they could need thanks to banning the confederate flag etc, yeah.
We also know, for a fact, that noose was made last october, when Wood Brothers had that garage. We know for a fcat Bubba then absolutley couldnt have staged it. We know that team member contacted NASCAR about it. And no doubt the concerns were real. Bubba hade been very vocal, in an evironment that certainly has its fair share of racists. He had recieved a huge amount of threats, NASCAR too Iīm sure.
I say you cant use your "plausible" scenarios in this instance without being either ignorant or having an agenda, or both. It is that simple this time. It really is.
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07-02-2020, 05:29 PM #292Veteran Poster
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No, in fact we don't know that. We know that this is possible, but not certain. It could have predated even that.
We know for a fcat Bubba then absolutley couldnt have staged it.
We know that team member contacted NASCAR about it. And no doubt the concerns were real.
Bubba hade been very vocal, in an evironment that certainly has its fair share of racists. He had recieved a huge amount of threats, NASCAR too Iīm sure.
"Make no mistake, though some will try, this should not detract from the show of unity we had on Monday and the progress we’ve made as a sport to be a more welcoming environment for all," Wallace added.
Since the incident was reported and investigated, Wallace, who is the sport's only top full-time Black driver, received an abundance of support from his team, competitors and the racing community, as well as on social media.
I say you cant use your "plausible" scenarios in this instance without being either ignorant or having an agenda, or both. It is that simple this time. It really is.
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07-03-2020, 12:04 AM #293Legendary RSR Poster
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And it seems that they aren't trying to go back to a better slate or candidates for this election either. I think it is important to accept that not everyone here is necessarily looking for the same things. This isn't the debate club where everyone has done rigorous preparation to get ready for the topic at hand. Some people may only have casually followed something or are interested in the discussion generated moreso than trying to follow every detail of a story in real time.
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07-04-2020, 05:05 PM #294Regular 1st Stringer
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As I understood it, there was video/photo that showed it not being tied up like that when that weekend kicked off, but it was like that later.
Yes, you kind of slightly lets Bubba get off the hook while instead focusing in on NASCAR being the villains. Great job.
I say we actually know that. Thatīs whats been reported from everyone everywhere. I it wasnīt the case, someone from Wood Brothers or NASCAR or whatever would have said "No, wait, it was like this". But by all means, you seem to have heard a different story from someone with first hand knowledge?
How many quotes would you like to have about the backlash BUbba got before this incident, and after it aswell? Theyre everywhere, and you prob know that.
I say even guys like BustofPallas, that hates my very existence, is on my side in this, even though he went bananas in defence of you, so donīt ruin it by sticking to your conspiracies and just sign off on his take of it instead.
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