Antifa - Are they the real domestic terror threat at this point in history?

**owknows** · 05-31-2020, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by darb72

What Maniac said. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

The people who screamed at the sky... and those who held sit-ins for the right to use the wrong bathroom after the election will certainly buy it.

They really aren't a concern to me.

It's the middle that matters.

And I think they are increasingly aware that the mass media and the political left are absolutely corrupt. And I think they are more than willing to apply Occam's Razor to the mystery of the riots.

(maybe this is wishful thinking on my part, but I don't think so)

**ravenmaniac4life** · 05-31-2020, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by darb72

What Maniac said. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I’m pretty confident that somebody at some point will post down here about Russia and white supremacists being behind all of this.

**NCRAVEN** · 05-31-2020, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life

I’m pretty confident that somebody at some point will post down here about Russia and white supremacists being behind all of this.

Calling Jimzipcode...

**ravenmaniac4life** · 05-31-2020, 07:35 PM

https://twitter.com/m_keenum/status/1267217629426659330

Look at the Russians and white supremacists.

Vile.

**ddr_jr** · 05-31-2020, 08:53 PM

It's unfortunate. These guys are mudding the waters. You have folks out in the street who are genuinely tried of this bullshit with these questionable and horrible decisions a few cops make. However, these Antifa dudes are lighting the match to ignite the riot. Then young poor kids run into the stores and start taking stuff.

So now the news will be about the vandalism. Such a distraction. I believe all this burning stuff up madness are those dudes. During the day, it's the people peacefully and demonstrative protesting.

I'm sure some of you guys still don't understand why folks are upset over this. It's like ground hog day. At least this time, many police chiefs and other law enforcement types admit this was questionable at best.

I'm interested how Trump ultimately messages this. I feel he is between a rock and hard place. On one hand he touts himself as the law and order president (I find that funny), and on the other, he wants to pull some more of the Black vote. It's a fine line he will have to draw.

And if he doesn't make totally clear who he thinks the thugs are..I mean make it really clear....not that "some people say yada yada bullshit"...that he makes a clear distinction between citizens who are fed up with the police, or young immature kids looting...againts these burn the world down MF's.

If he doesn't, he might as well forget getting that magic percentage of the black vote he wants.

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**BustOfPallas** · 05-31-2020, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

It's unfortunate. These guys are mudding the waters. You have folks out in the street who are genuinely tried of this bullshit with these questionable and horrible decisions a few cops make. However, these Antifa dudes are lighting the match to ignite the riot. Then young poor kids run into the stores and start taking stuff.

So now the news will be about the vandalism. Such a distraction. I believe all this burning stuff up madness are those dudes. During the day, it's the people peacefully and demonstrative protesting.

I'm sure some of you guys still don't understand why folks are upset over this. It's like ground hog day. At least this time, many police chiefs and other law enforcement types admit this was questionable at best.

I'm interested how Trump ultimately messages this. I feel he is between a rock and hard place. On one hand he touts himself as the law and order president (I find that funny), and on the other, he wants to pull some more of the Black vote. It's a fine line he will have to draw.

And if he doesn't make totally clear who he thinks the thugs are..I mean make it really clear....not that "some people say yada yada bullshit"...that he makes a clear distinction between citizens who are fed up with the police, or young immature kids looting...againts these burn the world down MF's.

If he doesn't, he might as well forget getting that magic percentage of the black vote he wants.

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You get it exactly. A bunch of white anarchist leftist losers are ruining peaceful protest that could affect change and unify the country. Trump sees clearly what is happening but good luck getting that reported honestly.

I see uniform condemnation of this cop from Trey Gowdy to Bernard Kerick to Sean King to Van Jones.

What could go wrong... George Soros and his paid terrorists.

**wickedsolo** · 05-31-2020, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

I'm sure some of you guys still don't understand why folks are upset over this. It's like ground hog day. At least this time, many police chiefs and other law enforcement types admit this was questionable at best.

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I dont see many law enforcement officials suggesting this was "questionable at best". Most are flat out saying it is a disgusting act done by someone that clearly should not have been a police officer in any capacity.

I just don't see the point in bringing race into this. I'm not suggesting Black Americans shouldn't be upset over this. What I'm saying is that ALL Americans should be upset by this and every other disgusting act taken by law enforcement officers over the years against Black Americans, White Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, etc.

In my mind, the whole point of this is that we have an example of someone wearing a badge and has sworn to protect and serve constituents of Minneapolis and they very CLEARLY had no regard for someone's life. What makes this worse is the other cops standing around watching this and doing nothing. All it would have taken was a few seconds for someone to come over and tap the cop on the shoulder and say "what are you doing?"

When you swear an oath to protect and serve Americans and uphold the Constitution, you are volunteering yourself to be held at a higher standard. America needs to hold their LEO's to a higher standard and, frankly, LEO's need to hold each other to a higher standard.

Another thing that I firmly believes needs to happen is better reviews and evaluations within police departments. Departments and precincts that have a lot of complaints and problems need to have their leadership checked and, very likely, replaced. I'm not saying all cops are given the same level of having a blind eye turned towards their unprofessional behavior, but cops cannot keep getting away with having complaints filed against them that eventually lead nowhere. That old saying "where there's smoke..." rings true, IMO. As in the case with this Chauvin shitbird, he apparently has had enough complaints filed against him to have his name get put in front of Amy Klobuchar and other Minnesota officials...that's a bad sign and clearly indicative of someone that should not have been allowed to continue a career in law enforcement. The entire system failed there.

I dont want to say that departments need to implement a zero tolerance policy for cops because every situation is different, but when you have a cop that has multiple complaints filed against them for abuse, neglect, harassment, or whatever...given the power that cops have and given that we're supposed to be holding them to a higher standard, it would probably be prudent to have a process in place to place those cops on administrative leave until a thorough and effective investigation is completed to include psych evals, behavioral evals, etc. And it's also probably a good idea to have processes and policies in place to terminate those police officers before it gets out of hand.

**BustOfPallas** · 05-31-2020, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

I'm sure some of you guys still don't understand why folks are upset over this. It's like ground hog day. At least this time, many police chiefs and other law enforcement types admit this was questionable at best.

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I think you are missing the point. No one thinks this guy Chauvin should not be arrested. Most agree they witnessed manslaughter at a bare minimum.

What makes it ground hog day, like all videos of these events is we can watch them over, and over and over again and to our primitive brains that seems like it's happening over and over and over again. But it's not.

We are very easily manipulated by these images and that's probably not a good thing.

**NCRAVEN** · 05-31-2020, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

It's unfortunate. These guys are mudding the waters. You have folks out in the street who are genuinely tried of this bullshit with these questionable and horrible decisions a few cops make. However, these Antifa dudes are lighting the match to ignite the riot. Then young poor kids run into the stores and start taking stuff.

So now the news will be about the vandalism. Such a distraction. I believe all this burning stuff up madness are those dudes. During the day, it's the people peacefully and demonstrative protesting.

I'm sure some of you guys still don't understand why folks are upset over this. It's like ground hog day. At least this time, many police chiefs and other law enforcement types admit this was questionable at best.

I'm interested how Trump ultimately messages this. I feel he is between a rock and hard place. On one hand he touts himself as the law and order president (I find that funny), and on the other, he wants to pull some more of the Black vote. It's a fine line he will have to draw.

And if he doesn't make totally clear who he thinks the thugs are..I mean make it really clear....not that "some people say yada yada bullshit"...that he makes a clear distinction between citizens who are fed up with the police, or young immature kids looting...againts these burn the world down MF's.

If he doesn't, he might as well forget getting that magic percentage of the black vote he wants.

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I think the people who need to be clear who the thugs are and who aren't are the people in the streets. It's not up to Trump.

**NCRAVEN** · 05-31-2020, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by BustOfPallas

I think you are missing the point. No one thinks this guy Chauvin should not be arrested. Most agree they witnessed manslaughter at a bare minimum.

What makes it ground hog day, like all videos of these events is we can watch them over, and over and over again and to our primitive brains that seems like it's happening over and over and over again. But it's not.

We are very easily manipulated by these images and that's probably not a good thing.

I don't know anyone who thinks this guy didn't either commit manslaughter murder, and I mean anyone.

**wickedsolo** · 05-31-2020, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by BustOfPallas

I think you are missing the point. No one thinks this guy Chauvin should not be arrested. Most agree they witnessed manslaughter at a bare minimum.

What makes it ground hog day, like all videos of these events is we can watch them over, and over and over again and to our primitive brains that seems like it's happening over and over and over again. But it's not.

We are very easily manipulated by these images and that's probably not a good thing.

Killer Mike called it "murder porn". He's right.

**BustOfPallas** · 05-31-2020, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Killer Mike called it "murder porn". He's right.

It's why Ray Rice is not playing football anymore. When acts like this are captured on video they are never forgiven.

People are willing to forgive but when our brains see the images they are fooled into thinking they are still happening. Human beings can NOT forgive when they see images like this. They can't. It's like the crime is being committed again, and again, and again. That's how primitive our brains our. We can't separate old images from reality.