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05-25-2020, 12:03 AM #49
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Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
Let's win the f**king game.
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05-25-2020, 12:33 AM #51Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
Wow, guys. Sensitive much?
I didn't say Gus sucks. I said I don't think any other team in the league will offer anything in trade for him.
For the record, I think Gus is a better back than Justice.
But I also think other teams around the league are going to view him as a completely fungible commodity. I think the perception is going to be that he's a pedestrian talent, an UDFA who benefitted from the Lamar Effect. I think teams are going to think that their own UDFAs or late-round backs could do just as much as Gus did in the same situation. They'll think Gusses are a dime-a-dozen, and not worth trading for.
Justice has the nice measurable from the Combine, and was a mid-round draft pick. He's also only 22 yrs old, where Gus is 25. If either of the two of them can command any trade value, I'd expect it to be Justice.
That is all I am saying.
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05-25-2020, 12:42 AM #52
Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
You straight up said he “hasn’t really produced anything.” That’s objectively false. I’m not really sure how that’s sensitive lol but when you say something that isn’t accurate by any definition I’m going to say so
Maybe you think he’s a product of Lamar and the offense. But he got a good number of carries last year (133 compared to Ingram’s 202) and topped Ingram in yards per carry. I like Hill better than Edwards (ironic considering you apparently feel the opposite) but there’s just no way you can say Edwards hasn’t produced. And I don’t think other teams care about their respective draft positions after a combined three years in the league.
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05-25-2020, 12:59 AM #53Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
Sorry: I meant that more as, he's not going to be seen around the league as having produced much. Do teams tend to trade for 700-yd backs? It's my impression that they don't.
I also think it's going to matter to teams that Gus didnt produce a damn thing while Joe was QB. Most teams run an offense more like what we ran with Joe, than what we've been doing with Lamar.
I've said like three times now that I think OTHER TEAMS are going to view Gus as a product of the offense.
Oh, I dont agree at all. Lax pointed out last year when we were talking about Lamar vs Kyler, how scouts love players who were rated 5-star athletes coming out of HS. I think scouts tend to distrust "late bloomers". Pedigree matters to them. Maybe not across-the-board; but enough to impact the trade market.
Do teams tend to trade for former UDFA RBs? It's my impression that they don't.
(Dont give me this "combined 3 yrs" shit. They don't combine that way. Justice is coming off his rookie season, and is only 22.)
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05-25-2020, 01:08 AM #54
Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
I think you were misreading my intent with the “combined three years”. I was just saying they’ve both spent some time in the league now; two years for Gus, one year for Justice. I guess it was clunky phrasing.
I genuinely don’t think teams care that someone was a UDFA once they’ve been in the league and produced. Do you think Philip Lindsay wouldn’t have any trade value?
Kyler Murray was a five star super recruit. Baker Mayfield was a low three star who was ranked outside the top 1,000 prospects in the country and walked on at two different schools. Both went 1-1.
In a Lamar offense, Gus Edwards was more efficient on a fairly large sample than Mark Ingram. As a rookie with an incumbent starter and a long time incumbent backup, he was hardly even active when Joe was QB but he put up 15 carries for 64 yards, or 4.3 yards a carry in the handful of games he did play, which was better than Alex Collins (3.6) or Buck Allen (2.7; woof).
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05-25-2020, 01:15 AM #55Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
I wanted very much to like Hill. But his sub-4 yds per carry and his 50% catch rate left a sour taste.
He's still very young, though. Maybe Hill can grow into a Theo Riddick -like player. Off of last season, I see him falling by the wayside as a wasted pick. Ingram and Dobbins can do everything Hill can do, and much better. Devin Duvernay can do a lot of what Hill can do, and offers more value. I think Hill is going to struggle to find snaps.
He'd be on more solid footing if the team unloaded Gus. Also would be nice if Thomas Hammock were still around.
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05-25-2020, 01:18 AM #56Four-eyed Raven
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05-25-2020, 01:19 AM #57
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05-25-2020, 01:22 AM #58
Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
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05-25-2020, 01:26 AM #59Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
I can see why you would think that, but I tend to think teams will value production even in a Lamar led offense. If your tailback goes down in camp you could do worse than picking up a replacement with a 5.3 Y/A career average.
Honestly, I could see either one retrieving a 6th rounder to the right team after the right camp injury. Either way, I don't see them carrying 4 tailbacks like most here on the board seem to think.
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05-25-2020, 01:27 AM #60
Re: Ravens 2020 Backfield and Running Game
I also think he got better as the year went along, and I have a hard time holding the 53% catch rate against him when it was such a small sample. Take out the 0/3 against KC week three and it jumps up to 67%. Include the 4/5 against the Titans and it jumps further to 72%. I also think it’s relevant when discussing his catch rate that unlike the other RBs his targets didn’t all come out of the backfield. He lined up at WR with semi-regularity (which is also a pretty good example of how it’s not true that Ingram and Dobbins do everything Hill does, and better. They are talented receiving backs but Hill’s versatility is unmatched on this team).
He really seemed like a different player both as a runner and as a receiver by the end of the year. Not everyone hits the ground running, and I don’t think how a player looks in October of their rookie season determines what their entire career will be. Dude wasn’t just a combine star, he was a damn good player at Oklahoma State.
I guess I had a bit more debate left in me tonight after all.Last edited by NjRavensFan; 05-25-2020 at 01:33 AM.
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