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02-25-2020, 05:00 PM #85
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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02-25-2020, 05:53 PM #86
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02-25-2020, 05:58 PM #87Regular 1st Stringer
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Trading Hurst?
What do you think we might get for him?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/r...landing-spots/
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02-25-2020, 06:04 PM #88
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
When we trade up to #2 overall.
Great post. Well put.
Whatever draft pick we get in return will bolster our depth at a different position. I'm not sure if there's a net gain or loss in injury risk here. To me this doesn't play a huge factor.
This is a tough call. I think a 3rd offers fair-ish value, but I probably wouldn't do the deal at that price.
What we give up:
- 2 more years of very cheap Hurst and 1 more of cheap-ish Hurst
- Probable comp pick (not sure which round, but I'll guess 4th)
- Lose a small amount of cap room due to Hurst's dead money being greater than his cap number (OTC says we lose 43k if traded which is basically nothing, but we don't free up any space to make room for the pick we get in return, so it still cuts into our cap room for the year).
What we gain:
- 4 years of cheap ownership of a player with maybe ~50% shot at being a multi year starter
- Some chance at a comp pick if that draft pick eventually signs elsewhere as a UFA (lower chance than Hurst, and on average probably a lower comp pick when one is earned)
I think it starts to look worthwhile if the offer is a 2nd.
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02-25-2020, 06:13 PM #89
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
I’ll freely admit there are some here who get analytics and stats waaay more than me. I’ve just used the “eye test “. That said. Every post or thread about HH results in someone stating that “HH is the best all around TE” or “has the best hands “ “ runs the best routes “. And I’m sure there are pages of stats that back this up.
But ...if this is true ...why doesn’t he get more play time? Why isn’t he a primary target for Lamar? I bag on this coaching staff more than anyone here ...and I’m certain they know more than I /we fans do. They see tape. Practice. Locker room. Games. We see games. Period. Obviously HH ain’t showing out in practice. Or walk throughs. Or whatever. Maybe he makes GRO’s coffee wrong? Maybe he cuts Harbs grass wrong? Whatever it is they don’t feel the same as some of us fans.
Trade this dud. He’s not valued here by the team. He’s never been worth the 1St round pick. Even his college stats arnt impressive. Dude caught 3 TDs in 3 yrs!
Don’t give him away ...but if a decent trade comes ...take it. I’d say a high 3rd and maybe a 5th/6th
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02-25-2020, 07:06 PM #90Veteran Poster
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02-25-2020, 08:26 PM #91
Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
To be clear, i was never a fan of the pick and couldnt believe we took him in the first. But the way our offense runs through heavy TEs i think it is essential to keep what we have in tact. Now he does need to be utilized more especially with his athleticsm. That being said, if NE wants to give us a 1st and 3rd for our 2nd or something that is hard to say no, then go for it. But we better have a plan to replace what he offers, having that TE group is what makes us so dangerous. It would just depend on what we do with the picks and at this point i do trust EDC. I think HH will have a good year if he is on the roster.
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Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
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02-25-2020, 08:40 PM #93Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Barstool Sports: Pats and Ravens in Trade Talks re Hayden Hurst
I don't yet have an opinion. But Devil's advocate says they could still use a fourth round pick on a TE to replace Hurst and may not suffer because of it.
Consider Andrews was a third. Pitta was a fourth. Boyle was undrafted, Dickson was a third. Kelce was a third round pick. Ertz as round two. Kittle was a fifth rounder. Hooper third round. Cook was in the third. Burton was undrafted.
You get the idea.
It begs the question why would a smart guy like Belichick trade for Hurst then?
He does have certain skills that Roman's scheme doesn't particularly take advantage of. Better to send him to where he can prosper, if that's the case, and replace him with a cheaper scheme fit.
I won't have an opinion until I see what is really offered not just rumored. A day two pick or sending Hurst and a pick for Ngakoue might make me say, good deal.
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02-25-2020, 09:04 PM #95
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02-25-2020, 09:07 PM #96
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