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02-16-2020, 12:34 PM #25Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Free College and Cancelling Student Debt
Think I was around there too, for double degree in music performance and information systems. Similar level of personal debt coming out due to partial scholarships and my parents taking plus loans. It has definitely worked out well for me as a software engineer though.
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02-16-2020, 08:04 PM #26
Re: Free College and Cancelling Student Debt
"A moron, a rapist, and a Pittsburgh Steeler walk into a bar. He sits down and says, “Hi I’m Ben may I have a drink please?”
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02-16-2020, 08:18 PM #27Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Free College and Cancelling Student Debt
I graduated high school with $0 in debt. Beat that!
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02-16-2020, 10:27 PM #29
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Oh for sure... that’s a profession that pays commensurate with earning a degree, aka a good investment,
I just haven’t used my degree. Not that it doesn’t have value, it just hasn’t for ME. I graduated and started in sales because it paid so much more than entry level marketing positions and never got out. I didn’t need to go to college to get into sales.
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02-17-2020, 12:31 AM #30Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Free College and Cancelling Student Debt
Yeah. That's fair. There are a ton of degree options out there, but only a small proportion she particularly useful is you only have a Bachelor's. I'm kind of in the same camp as Ditkas where I could see some subsidizing of college, but only for select programs.
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02-17-2020, 12:36 AM #31
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02-17-2020, 12:38 AM #32Legendary RSR Poster
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02-17-2020, 08:53 AM #33
Re: Free College and Cancelling Student Debt
As far as Hospitals go...that would severely cut their profit. The CEOs of these Hospitals are business men/women. They only care about the bottom line...and their bonuses.
My wife is a CCRN Masters degree ICU nurse. They “reimbursed” her a whooping $3000 a yr! Um. Thanks for barely coving lab fees. Enjoy your $5million salary. Smh.
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02-17-2020, 09:23 PM #34
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Yeah. That might be reasonable if they owed on community college debt and they also worked through their college years to help make the tuition and book costs.
Actually, it still wouldn't.
There is no such thing as a right to something when it is produced by the sweat of other people. Education and healthcare are not rights. You can make a case for a rich country to provide some level of these for all people but it is never a RIGHT. You don't have the right to the labor of others. EVER.
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02-17-2020, 09:30 PM #35
Re: Free College and Cancelling Student Debt
I think subsidizing medical school for nurses, PAs, and doctors is good also, with the proviso they work off their debt (they get paid but at much less than a doctor would make) at free clinics operated in or near ERs that often handle uninsured people. These free clinics would lessen the pressure on ERs to handle colds and minor injuries that are now handled in the ER. After some time the person would be done (5 or 10 years) and be free to make all the money they could.
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Re: Free College and Cancelling Student Debt
Damn right man. It's disgusting. You basically push college on a bunch of kids that just wrapped up 13-14 years of school...so now they get to go do 4+ more years...but now they have the option to take classes that are interesting to them. Most 18 year olds are not thinking about their career - they're focused on what's in front of them and that's being on their own for the first time making decisions. College also rarely translates into real-world $$$ for people. I highly doubt an 18 year old is going "my parents are paying $50K for this...I better make the most of it and get a good ROI for them...".
I agree. I went to college, majored in political science (a completely useless degree), came out with a shit load of student debt because no one explained that shit to me and my parents (while good people) never went to college and weren't exactly on the up-and-up in terms of economics...
I enlisted in the Navy after college. I learned more in the Navy than I ever did in college. The Navy gave me a career path - not college. I dont regret going to college, but in looking back on it, other than meeting my wife, I don't see it as a reason for me being where I am today. For those reasons, I kind of wish I had enlisted right out of high school.
We are taking the same approach with our kids. I would also encourage the military as I got a lot out of it and I think the military would be good for most young adults. Discipline, accountability, and respect are things that are sorely lacking in many younger adults these days.
I also think college is going to be totally different for my kids. Sure, the 4-year institutions will still be around....I dont see Harvard or Yale going under anytime soon. However, I think as colleges become more and more expensive and class themselves out of being an option for most of middle-America, online schooling will become a lot more robust. It already has in some respects. University of Md University College, for example, has some really great accredited online programs in cyber security, MBA programs, etc. Plus, I think this will be a better option for most kids because they can live at home still if they want, save $$$, work, and get a degree.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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