Trading our first round pick?

[Ortizer]

The team has 21 free agents and 9 draft picks. It's not like everyone who was on the team last year is returning. These picks are extremely valuable.

Player	Position
Jimmy Smith	CB
Michael Pierce	DT
Patrick Onwuasor	ILB
Seth Roberts	WR
Domata Peko	DT
Anthony Levine	S
Pernell McPhee	OLB
Josh Bynes	ILB
Brynden Trawick	S
Justin Ellis	DE
De’Anthony Thomas	WR
Jordan Richards	S
Chris Moore	WR
Jihad Ward	DE
Hroniss Grasu	C
Matthew Judon	OLB

You're out of date my man

I'm expecting Bynes, McPhee and Trawick out of the guys they didn't already re-sign

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[Valhain]

The team has 21 free agents and 9 draft picks. It's not like everyone who was on the team last year is returning. These picks are extremely valuable.

Player	Position
Jimmy Smith	CB
Michael Pierce	DT
Patrick Onwuasor	ILB
Seth Roberts	WR
Domata Peko	DT
Anthony Levine	S
Pernell McPhee	OLB
Josh Bynes	ILB
Brynden Trawick	S
Justin Ellis	DE
De’Anthony Thomas	WR
Jordan Richards	S
Chris Moore	WR
Jihad Ward	DE
Hroniss Grasu	C
Matthew Judon	OLB

Out of 16 players on that list, only 4 players were drafted by the Ravens (Smith, McPhee, Moore and Judon). Just as many, Bynes, Ownuasor, Trawick and Pierce, were UFA. Roberts, Ward, Richards, Peko, Ellis, Grasu, D'A Thomas... cut and picked off the streets by EDC. From that list only Judon and Jimmy if he managed to stay healthy are must-resign if we had the cap space (we probably don't if we want to make another move)

Picks are valuable yes, extremely is pushing it a bit. For a team in rebuild mode or with no cap space, sure, but for us? I'd say more as ammo to trade up than anything.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

But if Kyle Boller had turned out to be what we hoped — and what many of our scouts thought, i.e. the second coming of John Elway — no one would give that sacrifice a second thought.


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But he didn't...and that's the thing, the player any one of us that are hot and bothered about being a stud could just as easily be a bust. And then you are out of high future draft picks pretty much for nothing.

I remember my favorite team trading their future #1 twice...first was before the Ravens got here, I was a 49ers fan and I remember the JJ Stokes trade up like it was yesterday...ironically, when the Ravens got here, that future first the 49ers traded became Ray Lewis.

Second of course was the bad Kyle Boller trade...and that pick we gave up the following year became Wilfork.

It has worked out at times, but IMHO, the odds are against you getting that game changing player by trading up and giving up future #1's +. IMHO, for us, there's only one player I would consider a trade like that for and it's Chase Young. And even for him, we'd have to give more than just 1 future first round pick to get that high which makes it not worth it anymore to me.

[Ravenswintitle]

Out of 16 players on that list, only 4 players were drafted by the Ravens (Smith, McPhee, Moore and Judon). Just as many, Bynes, Ownuasor, Trawick and Pierce, were UFA. Roberts, Ward, Richards, Peko, Ellis, Grasu, D'A Thomas... cut and picked off the streets by EDC. From that list only Judon and Jimmy if he managed to stay healthy are must-resign if we had the cap space (we probably don't if we want to make another move)

Picks are valuable yes, extremely is pushing it a bit. For a team in rebuild mode or with no cap space, sure, but for us? I'd say more as ammo to trade up than anything.

I'll bet EDC disagrees with you. Time will tell

[QtR Nevermore]

Picks are valuable yes, extremely is pushing it a bit. For a team in rebuild mode or with no cap space, sure, but for us? I'd say more as ammo to trade up than anything.

Who is this can't miss player, presumably in the front 7, that we're going to trade up for?

I mean, I wish he existed but all the guys widely considered sure things are out of our range, even to trade for. Whoever we pick would be somewhat of a gamble, which would be fine if we just stick and pick, but too expensive if we've thrown our first 2 picks and more at it. (Obviously if someone we really like drops unexpectedly it would be different.)

[Valhain]

Who is this can't miss player, presumably in the front 7, that we're going to trade up for?

I mean, I wish he existed but all the guys widely considered sure things are out of our range, even to trade for. Whoever we pick would be somewhat of a gamble, which would be fine if we just stick and pick, but too expensive if we've thrown our first 2 picks and more at it. (Obviously if someone we really like drops unexpectedly it would be different.)

It will always be a crap shoot. Less of a crap shoot trading up, in theory, but a crap shoot nonetheless. My point was, looking specifically at Ravenswintitle's chart, that the majority of those free agents were not even drafted in the first place and/or signed off the streets after being cut. They are mostly depth, and that can be found outside the Draft. We don't need 9 picks for that. We do need to make sure (or as sure as we can be) that we get our guys, trading up a bit if necessary, and obviously if a Kinlaw or a Ruggs III falls around the 20-24 bracket, for example, I trade up even if it means losing a third or a coupe of fourths. Nobody is talking (or I'm not) about Young or Simmons, those are gone Top5 and top 10 at most, and I'm not giving up this years' R1 & R2 on top of next years' R1 (and more) to move that high.

[HotInHere]

But he didn't...and that's the thing, the player any one of us that are hot and bothered about being a stud could just as easily be a bust. And then you are out of high future draft picks pretty much for nothing.

I remember my favorite team trading their future #1 twice...first was before the Ravens got here, I was a 49ers fan and I remember the JJ Stokes trade up like it was yesterday...ironically, when the Ravens got here, that future first the 49ers traded became Ray Lewis.

Second of course was the bad Kyle Boller trade...and that pick we gave up the following year became Wilfork.

It has worked out at times, but IMHO, the odds are against you getting that game changing player by trading up and giving up future #1's +. IMHO, for us, there's only one player I would consider a trade like that for and it's Chase Young. And even for him, we'd have to give more than just 1 future first round pick to get that high which makes it not worth it anymore to me.

I'm not lobbying for doing it. I'm just saying I wouldn't rule it out, and I don't think EDC is ruling it out. But I wouldn't think it would happen this year.

The reason you do it is where you have a big need at a high-profile position (CB, QB, pass rush, LT.) If you have an opportunity to get a player that you have rated higher than anyone you would be able to get in the first round the following year, then it makes sense.

This is what happened in the Boller situation. The only problem was that the scouts had actually rated Boller higher than any of the potential QBs who were coming out the following year. You know, those weak-assed prospects Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger.