2020 NFL Draft - ILB Thread

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

When I think of 34 defenses I don't even think of edge rusher as LBs at all....for me they're LB in name only.
34 defense I think of the ILBs and for me the Mack/Will is the more valuable and more important player and harder to find player. If by some miracle Simmons fell would you give it a second thought that he's more of Mack/Will then Buck/Mike?

Simmons is a freak, but he's so long that he keeps blockers off him and gets off blocks, but yeah I hear you're point.

I think the issue is we traditionally associate MIKE with 3-down LB. I dont think that's the case anymore. Really depends on the roles of that specific defense. For example, Mosley was our MIKE, but he had additional responsibilities that the WILL normally had, such as increased hook coverage duties.

Everything in the game now is a hybrid.

[RavensNest]

I like Harrison too, not sure why he's not getting talked about much. If you aren't the typical freak athlete at OSU, you tend to get lost in the eval I guess.

Funny thing is Harrison is kind of a freak. He is big and fast. He was one of Luke Fickell's recruiting project who sat behind Darron Lee.

[JimZipCode]

There's very few "every down MIKE" guys. It's concerning.

Very few in the world, I think. God doesn't make very many to begin with.

[edromeo]

Passer rating allowed:
Murray 106.6
Queen 93.8

Also: Joe Bachie
Murray---------------------------------------Queen-------------Bachie
59.8 - RUN-DEFENSE GRADE....................64.7...…...……….79.1
80.6 - COVERAGE GRADE.........................82.0..……...….….74.0
68.6 - TACKLING GRADE..........................65.4...…………....67.7
11.4% MISSED TACKLE %.......................13.7%...………....12.8%

Bachie:
1.57s (93rd PCTL) 10- YARD SPLIT
4.34s (54th PCTL) 20- YARD SHUTTLE
4.67s (73rd PCTL) 40- YARD DASH
6.93s (87th PCTL) THREE- CONE DRILL
33.5” (53rd PCTL) VERTICAL JUMP
9-11 (70th PCTL) BROAD JUMP
26 reps (84th PCTL)

Queen
1.51s (99th PCTL) 10 - YARD SPLIT
4.5s (97th PCTL) 40 - YARD DASH
35” (70th PCTL)VERTICAL JUMP
10 - 05 (92nd PCTL) BROAD JUMP
18 reps (26th PCTL)

Murray
1.54s (98th PCTL) 10 - YARD SPLIT
4.52s (96th PCTL) 40 - YARD DASH
38” (91st PCTL) VERTICAL JUMP
10 - 09 (97th PCTL)BROAD JUMP
21 reps (51st PCTL)

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

Bachie and Woodward are two of my favourites. Both are instinctual players and that's the #1 trait Im looking for.

Woodward had a game with like 23 tackles lol. He's always around the ball.

[edromeo]

Is there an edge rusher thread?

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Passer rating allowed:
Murray 106.6
Queen 93.8

Also: Joe Bachie
Murray---------------------------------------Queen-------------Bachie
59.8 - RUN-DEFENSE GRADE....................64.7...…...……….79.1
80.6 - COVERAGE GRADE.........................82.0..……...….….74.0
68.6 - TACKLING GRADE..........................65.4...…………....67.7
11.4% MISSED TACKLE %.......................13.7%...………....12.8%

Bachie:
1.57s (93rd PCTL) 10- YARD SPLIT
4.34s (54th PCTL) 20- YARD SHUTTLE
4.67s (73rd PCTL) 40- YARD DASH
6.93s (87th PCTL) THREE- CONE DRILL
33.5” (53rd PCTL) VERTICAL JUMP
9-11 (70th PCTL) BROAD JUMP
26 reps (84th PCTL)

Queen
1.51s (99th PCTL) 10 - YARD SPLIT
4.5s (97th PCTL) 40 - YARD DASH
35” (70th PCTL)VERTICAL JUMP
10 - 05 (92nd PCTL) BROAD JUMP
18 reps (26th PCTL)

Murray
1.54s (98th PCTL) 10 - YARD SPLIT
4.52s (96th PCTL) 40 - YARD DASH
38” (91st PCTL) VERTICAL JUMP
10 - 09 (97th PCTL)BROAD JUMP
21 reps (51st PCTL)

Those passing ratings allowed numbers, it's crazy because both look to be crazy athletic, but they don't seem to force many incompletions or turnovers.

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

Those passing ratings allowed numbers, it's crazy because both look to be crazy athletic, but they don't seem to force many incompletions or turnovers.

Be careful with charted passer rating.

Corey Littleton allowed a 104.7 rating, but had an 82 coverage grade.
Deon Jones allowed a 101.7 rating, but had an 83 coverage grade
Kuckely had an 87 rating, but an 83 coverage grade

They're misleading.

[ursula]

Kinda similar to Murray IMO. Uses his speed, has good instincts, but can he take on blocks and be a compelte every down MIKE?

One question you have to ask is do they need to be a MIKE? The concern with that is in the nickel which is basically our base with only 1 other LB you have to put out a thumper instead of your "do it all" guy. So if you put Fort on can teams target Fort in the passing game? Does that limit the value of Murray?

In the dime it's a little different. With the extra DBs your prepping for the pass and that plays right into Murray's wheelhouse. He can man up or play zone. He can chase RB's no problem.

So your basically looking at a WILL in the base/nickel that can still be your 3-down LB by playing the LB spot in the dime.

I think Queen is a similar type of guy.

Nice. I would add that since this ILB person will not be asked to wear the green dot since Chuck Clark has it, the idea of the traditional MIKE in the persons of Ray Lewis or CJ Mosley is not exactly what the Ravens need. The team does need a guy who can defend the run and the more they can also excel in pass coverage and blitzing the earlier in the draft they will interest the Ravens. But that difference opens up the WILL LBs like Murray or Queen or Dye for consideration. It even opens up Baun who won't be just an EDGE guy in the NFL (other than in obvious passing downs for blitzing purposes).

[ursula]

Bachie and Woodward are two of my favourites. Both are instinctual players and that's the #1 trait Im looking for.

Woodward had a game with like 23 tackles lol. He's always around the ball.

That those two are basically just in the box tacklers (read: they are slow and their instincts can't make up for plays on the edges) limits their ceiling and thus are thought of as day 3 picks. Interesting that you don't include Quarterman who the Ravens were all over at the Shrine game like a cheap suit and is of similar quality. I'd guess that he would be the guy they go for on day three if they don't want a sideline to sideline tackler like Murray or Queen. Which, of course, they do.

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

That those two are basically just in the box tacklers (read: they are slow and their instincts can't make up for plays on the edges) limits their ceiling and thus are thought of as day 3 picks. Interesting that you don't include Quarterman who the Ravens were all over at the Shrine game like a cheap suit and is of similar quality. I'd guess that he would be the guy they go for on day three if they don't want a sideline to sideline tackler like Murray or Queen. Which, of course, they do.

I like Quarterman too. I like quite a few of these guys in the mid-rounds, especially given that we use some of our guys in the dime that can mask 3-down abilities. Levine, Elliott (if he can finally stya healthy) can help out there

[Mmcclend]

Is there an edge rusher thread?

There needs to be one.