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Thread: Impeachment notes & tidbits
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He was told. He had direct contacts with Trump, and he was also in communication with Giuliani. Trump told him to do what Giuliani wanted. Giuliani was tying the White House visit and, later, the aid to Zelensky announcing investigations. Sondland and Giuliani were both telling Zelensky and his people that he had to make the announcement to get the visit (and later the aid was added). Sondland testified to that, and he was corroborated by Taylor and Volker on that. Inadvertently Morrison confirmed it, and Holmes also provided corroboration of Trump's personal concern with investigations.
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That would depend on what the Senate decides. Art. I Sec.3 cl. 7:
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
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01-25-2020, 07:54 PM #52
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It was a quid pro quo. I said that. It's not the same thing Trump did. At all.
For starters, the legislation that authorized the loan guarantees at issue when Biden made his demand of Poroshenko authorized Obama to do that. Secondly, Biden was doing what Obama had authorized him to do. Third, the policy was arrived at by a multi-agency consensus in consultation with Congress, and with the agreement of other stakeholders like the IMF, the EU, and anti-corruption folks in Ukraine. Obama and Biden did it openly. They didn't try to hide it. They didn't lie about it. Those involved knew up front what was going on and why.
Trump, in contrast, hid what he was doing. He used Giuliani as a backdoor and tasked Sondland outside his writ to circumvent the official diplomatic apparatus in Ukraine. He didn't let the State Dep't or the Embassy in Ukraine know what he was doing. They weren't aware that Trump was behind Sondland's "drug deal" as Bolton called it. He had the summary of his phone call locked away on a super secret computer and didn't deliver the usual read-out to those in the Administration with a portfolio involving Ukraine, which meant they were unaware of what was going on. When the hold on the aid was ordered no reason was given for it. When OMB staffer Mark Shandy made his concerns about its legality known, since there was no reason given for it, they took it away from him and made the unusual decision to give it to a political appointee in the OMB. Appropriations are usually handled by career staff because they have the experience. That political appointee was Duffy, and when news of the whisteblower first became known he sent out emails attempting to blame DOD for the delay in the aid getting paid. Apparently even he didn't know why it was being held, though it defies reason that he didn't know it was held because Trump had ordered it. That didn't work, so first they came up with the excuse that Trump was worried other European countries weren't paying enough. Then it was "corruption," though he didn't mention corruption in either conversation with Zelensky and the only things he actually did mention were the unfounded claims against the Bidens and the completely insane gibberish he apparently believes about Crowdstrike.
You people are just willfully ignorant. You stay in a bubble and refuse to see reality.
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Re: Impeachment notes & tidbits
The FBI did not attempt to alter an election. Parts of it did. The New York Field Office, for example, had at least some anti-Clinton agents who had been leaking information (some of it false) to Giuliani and the rightwing press.
Have you read the DOJ OIG report on the Midyear Exam?
For that matter, did you read the DOJ OIG report on Crossfire Hurricane? Because both of those reports thoroughly debunk the Trumpist conspiracy theory that the FBI was out to get him.
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