Greg Roman Extension?

**pslholder96** · 11-13-2019, 11:32 AM

There's no question Greg Roman has played an integral part in our success and the success of Lamar Jackson. Read somewhere they revamped like 30% of the playbook to suit LJ's skill set. Given Roman's good track record with mobile QBs is it possible his HC opportunities are limited to those organizations that currently have a mobile QB on their roster whom they would like to build around? It's for this reason I don't see him going anywhere this year regardless of how we finish. If he duplicates next year what he's already accomplished this year teams will definitely start calling him to try and duplicate our system here and perhaps aim to look for the next LJ.

**GOTA** · 11-13-2019, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

There's no question Greg Roman has played an integral part in our success and the success of Lamar Jackson. Read somewhere they revamped like 30% of the playbook to suit LJ's skill set. Given Roman's good track record with mobile QBs is it possible his HC opportunities are limited to those organizations that currently have a mobile QB on their roster whom they would like to build around? It's for this reason I don't see him going anywhere this year regardless of how we finish. If he duplicates next year what he's already accomplished this year teams will definitely start calling him to try and duplicate our system here and perhaps aim to look for the next LJ.

There is no next LJ. Would a team like the Bills think that Roman could turn Josh Allen into a great player since he is a LJ lite type talent? I just don't see it. Maybe Mariota would benefit but it's hard to see a team building an offense around him. There also isn't a top college prospect similar to Lamar Jackson. Things can change quickly but there sure doesn't seem to be anyone like that worth talking about.

**JimZipCode** · 11-13-2019, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Read somewhere they revamped like 30% of the playbook to suit LJ's skill set.

My understanding is they re-wrote ALL of it, in terms of changing the verbiage and streamlining the organization – giving similar concepts similar naming conventions, or whatever – so they "revamped" 100% of the playbook. Easier to call in the huddle and at the line; easier to learn and retain.

In the process of that revamp, about 30% of the content is brand-new. All-new plays – or maybe formations – or maybe shifts – or something. (We can't know, I guess.)

**JimZipCode** · 11-13-2019, 12:29 PM

Year	Rnd	Player	Team	Mobile?
2005	1	Alex Smith	SFO	yes
2005	1	Aaron Rodgers	GNB	? 4.7 in the 40
2005	1	Jason Campbell	WAS	no
2005	3	Charlie Frye	CLE	yes
2005	3	David Greene	SEA	?
2006	1	Vince Young	TEN	yes
2006	1	Matt Leinart	ARI	no
2006	1	Jay Cutler	DEN	no
2006	2	Kellen Clemens	NYJ	?
2006	2	Tarvaris Jackson	MIN	? (but 4.69 40)
2006	3	Charlie Whitehurst	SDG	?
2006	3	Brodie Croyle	KAN	?
2007	1	JaMarcus Russell	OAK	?
2007	1	Brady Quinn	CLE	?
2007	2	Kevin Kolb	PHI	?
2007	2	John Beck	MIA	no
2007	2	Drew Stanton	DET	?
2007	3	Trent Edwards	BUF	?
2008	1	Matt Ryan	ATL	no
2008	1	Joe Flacco	BAL	no
2008	2	Brian Brohm	GNB	no
2008	2	Chad Henne	MIA	no
2008	3	Kevin O'Connell	NWE	?
2009	1	Matthew Stafford	DET	no
2009	1	Mark Sanchez	NYJ	?
2009	1	Josh Freeman	TAM	?
2009	2	Pat White	MIA	?
2010	1	Sam Bradford	STL	NO!
2010	1	Tim Tebow	DEN	yes
2010	2	Jimmy Clausen	CAR	?
2010	3	Colt McCoy	CLE	?
2011	1	Cam Newton	CAR	yes
2011	1	Jake Locker	TEN	no
2011	1	Blaine Gabbert	JAX	no
2011	1	Christian Ponder	MIN	no
2011	2	Andy Dalton	CIN	no
2011	2	Colin Kaepernick	SFO	yes
2011	3	Ryan Mallett	NWE	no
2012	1	Andrew Luck	IND	yes
2012	1	Robert Griffin	WAS	yes
2012	1	Ryan Tannehill	MIA	no
2012	1	Brandon Weeden	CLE	NO!
2012	2	Brock Osweiler	DEN	?
2012	3	Russell Wilson	SEA	YES!
2012	3	Nick Foles	PHI	no
2013	1	EJ Manuel	BUF	?
2013	2	Geno Smith	NYJ	?
2013	3	Mike Glennon	TAM	?
2014	1	Blake Bortles	JAX	no
2014	1	Johnny Manziel	CLE	yes
2014	1	Teddy Bridgewater	MIN	?
2014	2	Derek Carr	OAK	?
2014	2	Jimmy Garoppolo	NWE	no
2015	1	Jameis Winston	TAM	?
2015	1	Marcus Mariota	TEN	yes
2015	3	Garrett Grayson	NOR	?
2015	3	Sean Mannion	STL	?
2016	1	Jared Goff	LAR	?
2016	1	Carson Wentz	PHI	yes
2016	1	Paxton Lynch	DEN	?
2016	2	Christian Hackenberg	NYJ	?
2016	3	Jacoby Brissett	NWE	yes
2016	3	Cody Kessler	CLE	?
2017	1	Mitchell Trubisky	CHI	?
2017	1	Patrick Mahomes	KAN	yes
2017	1	Deshaun Watson	HOU	yes
2017	2	DeShone Kizer	CLE	?
2017	3	Davis Webb	NYG	?
2017	3	C.J. Beathard	SFO	?
2018	1	Baker Mayfield	CLE	yes
2018	1	Sam Darnold	NYJ	?
2018	1	Josh Allen	BUF	yes
2018	1	Josh Rosen	ARI	no
2018	1	Lamar Jackson	BAL	yes
2018	3	Mason Rudolph	PIT	no
2019	1	Kyler Murray	ARI	yes
2019	1	Daniel Jones	NYG	yes
2019	1	Dwayne Haskins	WAS	no
2019	2	Drew Lock	DEN	?
2019	3	Will Grier	CAR	?

**JimZipCode** · 11-13-2019, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

Given Roman's good track record with mobile QBs is it possible his HC opportunities are limited to those organizations that currently have a mobile QB on their roster whom they would like to build around?

It's possible organizations see it that way. I think that would be dumb; but sure, it's possible.

Previous post is a list of QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds since 2005. I wanted to highlight how many of them were mobile enough to run the Greg Roman offense as smoothly as Alex Smith did with the Niners in 2011. Instead, what I think I really showed was how little I know about the college players.

(I removed Andrew Walter, 3rd rounder to Oakland in 2005, because the table was too long to post and I needed to delete a row. And I've literally never heard of him, so I think he must not be that important.)

But even with my limited knowledge: at least 20 guys in the last 15 or 16 years could have run Roman's offense like Alex Smith did in 2011. The NFL has been trending that was for the last several years: most of the QBs at the top of the draft are more than mobile enough.

**pslholder96** · 11-13-2019, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by GOTA

There is no next LJ. Would a team like the Bills think that Roman could turn Josh Allen into a great player since he is a LJ lite type talent? I just don't see it. Maybe Mariota would benefit but it's hard to see a team building an offense around him. There also isn't a top college prospect similar to Lamar Jackson. Things can change quickly but there sure doesn't seem to be anyone like that worth talking about.

I specifically said teams would "aim to look for the next LJ". I also specifically tied Roman to an LJ like prospect. And yes I believe we'll see more talented guys like LJ come along. I don't know how you could infer that Roman could possibly make someone like Josh Allen elite. He may end up being elite but not the Greg Roman way.

**QtR Nevermore** · 11-13-2019, 12:48 PM

About 7 or 8 head coaches get fired every year. Current fashion is to appoint offensive playcallers to those vacancies. If we finish the season with the number one offense and the owners see pundits praising Roman on TV every week, it's highly probable that he will get head coaching offers.

If he decides to take one, Harbaugh needs to promote someone from within who can still run Roman's offense or bring in a college coach, rather than reverting to type and just appointing whatever failed HC with an offensive background that's available and then letting them just run their own system.

**Jam31** · 11-13-2019, 01:06 PM

I can only hope that we keep him as OC for a second year. No doubt he's deserving of a HC gig but that Kubiak departure basically broke Joe's future in Baltimore.

If I were Bisciotti id do anything to keep him for at least a second year. That would help develop Culley, Urban, Wiseman etc for a takeover in '21.

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**pslholder96** · 11-13-2019, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by JimZipCode

My understanding is they re-wrote ALL of it, in terms of changing the verbiage and streamlining the organization – giving similar concepts similar naming conventions, or whatever – so they "revamped" 100% of the playbook. Easier to call in the huddle and at the line; easier to learn and retain.

In the process of that revamp, about 30% of the content is brand-new. All-new plays – or maybe formations – or maybe shifts – or something. (We can't know, I guess.)

I got the 30% number from an article Jeff Z did for the athletic so not sure.

**lobachevsky** · 11-13-2019, 01:44 PM

Roman could stay with the Ravens through the next 3 Super Bowls, continuing to build something very special, then based on that success leave after SB LVI & write his own ticket - & he wouldn't turn 50 until August of that year. Were I a betting curmudgeometer, I'd wager that Biscuit makes pretty much that exact pitch to him & sweetens it with some sweet sweeet $$$.

**JimZipCode** · 11-13-2019, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by pslholder96

I got the 30% number from an article Jeff Z did for the athletic so not sure.

Me too.

Also the piece by Dan Pompei in the Athletic, and one by Adam Kilgore in the Wash Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...ense-proves-it
https://theathletic.com/1088122/2019...ng-quarterback

**JimZipCode** · 11-13-2019, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Roman could stay with the Ravens through the next 3 Super Bowls, continuing to build something very special, then based on that success leave after SB LVI & write his own ticket - & he wouldn't turn 50 until August of that year. Were I a betting curmudgeometer, I'd wager that Biscuit makes pretty much that exact pitch to him

I think the thing is, Roman isn't Matt Lafleur or Zac Taylor. He's been around the block. He's not going to feel any urgency about taking the first available piece-of-shit job that comes open. He knows that his best chance of success is in a place with good ownership and a good GM.

He'll be – I don't want to say "picky", but he'll use good judgement. Not lunge for the first opening.