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  1. #37

    Re: New Source for Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by edromeo View Post
    Poor to the right? 72% w/ no INTs seems good.
    It’s a short throw. 72% is not great. Should be higher. Perhaps drops were an issue on this side.





  2. #38

    Re: New Source for Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by edromeo View Post
    A receiver with crisp intermediate outside the numbers routes like a Van Jefferson would help.
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    That's the need IMO. I like Boykin and he definitely has a bright future, but that's not his game.

    I actually like Boykin as a big slot player. A lot of his ND film was nice quicker routes using an explosive first step. From the slot with his size and ability after the catch would be nice. Add in Lamar throwing seams and Boykin having the ups, there's a lot to like. Of course, he and Hollywood can move around, but I'd be interested in seeing Boykin in the slot a little bit if we bring in a boundary receiver like Jefferson, Mims, etc
    Jefferson is what we need. I really wanted us to find someone like him as a FA and draft a big LG/pass rusher first round. I think Jefferson IF available would be great for us.





  3. Re: New Source for Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleG View Post
    It’s a short throw. 72% is not great. Should be higher. Perhaps drops were an issue on this side.

    Don't have any data on drops, but if anyone wants to investigate, here's the date, q, and time of each of 45 of the 47 (don't have data for 3 playoff passes, appear to have duplicated a pass from the Pats game, need to check later).

    date qt target COM TD INT
    2019-09-08
    1, 14:09
    H.Hurst
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-08
    1, 12:50
    N.Boyle
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-08
    1, 00:19
    M.Brown
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-08
    3, 10:56
    M.Andrews
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-08
    3, 08:03
    0
    0
    0
    2019-09-15
    1, 05:56
    M.Brown
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-15
    3, 08:16
    P.Ricard
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-15
    3, 07:28
    M.Ingram II
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-15
    3, 03:34
    M.Brown
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-22
    2, 10:38
    M.Brown
    0
    0
    0
    2019-09-22
    2, 06:07
    J.Hill
    0
    0
    0
    2019-09-29
    3, 11:23
    M.Brown
    0
    0
    0
    2019-09-29
    3, 00:09
    M.Andrews
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-29
    4, 12:36
    G.Edwards
    1
    0
    0
    2019-09-29
    4, 11:04
    M.Brown
    1
    0
    0
    2019-10-06
    2, 07:31
    M.Ingram II
    1
    0
    0
    2019-10-06
    3, 02:19
    H.Hurst
    1
    0
    0
    2019-10-06
    4, 01:03
    M.Andrews
    1
    0
    0
    2019-10-13
    1, 12:15
    H.Hurst
    1
    0
    0
    2019-10-20
    1, 08:35
    C.Moore
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-03
    1, 15:00
    N.Boyle
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-03
    3, 07:57
    M.Ingram II
    0
    0
    0
    2019-11-03
    3, 05:58
    P.Ricard
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-03
    3, 03:33
    W.Snead IV
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-03
    4, 07:02
    M.Ingram II
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-10
    1, 06:40
    M.Andrews
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-17
    1, 10:13
    M.Brown
    0
    0
    0
    2019-11-17
    1, 00:03
    N.Boyle
    0
    0
    0
    2019-11-17
    3, 14:53
    P.Ricard
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-17
    3, 12:57
    W.Snead IV
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-17
    3, 08:03
    W.Snead IV
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-25
    2, 06:54
    N.Boyle
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-25
    2, 00:25
    S.Roberts
    1
    0
    0
    2019-11-25
    4, 15:00
    M.Brown
    0
    0
    0
    2019-12-01
    2, 02:53
    M.Ingram II
    1
    0
    0
    2019-12-08
    4, 12:59
    M.Ingram II
    1
    0
    0
    2019-12-12
    1, 02:57
    M.Boykin
    1
    1
    0
    2019-12-12
    3, 13:34
    M.Ingram II
    0
    0
    0
    2019-12-12
    3, 03:16
    P.Ricard
    0
    0
    0
    2019-12-12
    4, 10:04
    M.Ingram II
    1
    1
    0
    2019-12-22
    1, 07:16
    M.Andrews
    0
    0
    0
    2019-12-22
    2, 09:18
    M.Andrews
    0
    0
    0
    2019-12-22
    2, 06:04
    M.Andrews
    0
    0
    0
    2019-12-22
    2, 00:27
    S.Roberts
    1
    0
    0
    2019-12-22
    3, 14:55
    N.Boyle
    1
    0
    0
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  4. Re: New Source for Stats

    Summarized by target (still throws to the right [roughly outside the numbers] within 10 yards of the LoS):

    target COM TGT TD INT
    M.Ingram II
    6
    8
    1
    0
    M.Brown
    4
    8
    0
    0
    M.Andrews
    4
    7
    0
    0
    N.Boyle
    4
    5
    0
    0
    P.Ricard
    3
    4
    0
    0
    H.Hurst
    3
    3
    0
    0
    W.Snead IV
    3
    3
    0
    0
    S.Roberts
    2
    2
    0
    0
    C.Moore
    1
    1
    0
    0
    G.Edwards
    1
    1
    0
    0
    M.Boykin
    1
    1
    1
    0
    J.Hill
    0
    1
    0
    0
    Throwaway?
    0
    1
    0
    0

    Hollywood and Andrews not looking great in this small sample. Might be worth looking into just those incompletions:

    date qt target
    2019-09-22
    2, 10:38
    M.Brown
    2019-09-29
    3, 11:23
    M.Brown
    2019-11-17
    1, 10:13
    M.Brown
    2019-11-25
    4, 15:00
    M.Brown
    2019-12-22
    1, 07:16
    M.Andrews
    2019-12-22
    2, 09:18
    M.Andrews
    2019-12-22
    2, 06:04
    M.Andrews
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  5. Re: New Source for Stats

    I also want to point out that this is a tiny part of the field. Outside the numbers is 20% of the field, width-wise. Even if we restrict the field length-wise to 20 yards from the LoS, we're looking at ~13% of Lamar's total field area (and that's too small imo, 30 makes more sense, meaning we'd be looking at 10% of Lamar's total field area).

    I'm very interested to see how Lamar's numbers compare to league average, as well as where he ranks in completion percentage. Hoping to find some time to dig a little deeper into these data (all of it, not just what's been discussed here).
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  6. #42

    Re: New Source for Stats

    I am interested is how often the Ravens actually ran RPO plays (not zone read) this season?
    Were these plays successful ? Why did we not see more of them ?





  7. Re: New Source for Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    I am interested is how often the Ravens actually ran RPO plays (not zone read) this season?
    Were these plays successful ? Why did we not see more of them ?
    Hey Mark, I've seen you ask this question before, and I'm sorry I didn't answer it then. I can't give you an exact number (because I haven't finished the Titans game, I only looked for RPOs on passing, and I'm not confident enough that I accurately classified every passing play), but I can give you a rough idea.

    I'd be surprised if the Ravens ran more than 30 true RPOs this season (and I'd bet the true number is likely between 10 and 20). @filmstudy (link) definitely has the numbers on RPOs, and he'd be a good person to ask.
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  8. #44

    Re: New Source for Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by organizedchaos21 View Post
    Hey Mark, I've seen you ask this question before, and I'm sorry I didn't answer it then. I can't give you an exact number (because I haven't finished the Titans game, I only looked for RPOs on passing, and I'm not confident enough that I accurately classified every passing play), but I can give you a rough idea.

    I'd be surprised if the Ravens ran more than 30 true RPOs this season (and I'd bet the true number is likely between 10 and 20). @filmstudy (link) definitely has the numbers on RPOs, and he'd be a good person to ask.
    Thanks for answering my question. My eye test was that our actual RPO plays were very rare but I wasn't sure I was right. I was wondering if Roman will, or should, incorporate a lot more of the RPO into the offense. It seems that it fits LJ's skill set, makes good use of our TEs and RBs and would make teams unable to load the box against the read option like Tennessee did.





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    Re: New Source for Stats

    Hey OrgChaos – Does your data allow you to compute an FO-style "success rate" for our pass-catchers?

    I don't think Success Rate is usually applied to receivers; I think it's usually for RBs. So this might not be that germane or useful a request. Just curious.





  11. Re: New Source for Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    Hey OrgChaos – Does your data allow you to compute an FO-style "success rate" for our pass-catchers?

    I don't think Success Rate is usually applied to receivers; I think it's usually for RBs. So this might not be that germane or useful a request. Just curious.
    I too am unsure is Success Rate is useful when it comes to passing (and I'm hoping to switch to EPA this offseason and leave this question behind for good). In any case, here are the numbers:

    target Targets Catches Yards TD INT FD Success SR
    M.Andrews
    98
    64
    852
    10
    3
    44
    53
    54.1%
    M.Brown
    71
    46
    584
    7
    0
    24
    34
    47.9%
    W.Snead IV
    46
    31
    339
    5
    2
    20
    24
    52.2%
    N.Boyle
    43
    31
    321
    2
    1
    13
    24
    55.8%
    H.Hurst
    39
    30
    349
    2
    0
    16
    27
    69.2%
    S.Roberts
    35
    21
    271
    2
    1
    18
    20
    57.1%
    M.Ingram II
    29
    26
    247
    5
    0
    16
    18
    62.1%
    M.Boykin
    22
    13
    198
    3
    0
    10
    13
    59.1%
    J.Hill
    15
    8
    70
    0
    0
    5
    8
    53.3%
    P.Ricard
    11
    8
    47
    1
    0
    3
    6
    54.5%
    G.Edwards
    7
    7
    45
    0
    0
    2
    5
    71.4%
    C.Moore
    5
    3
    21
    0
    0
    0
    1
    20.0%
    J.Scott
    3
    1
    6
    0
    0
    0
    1
    33.3%

    Oh look! More data suggesting the team should throw to Hayden Hurst more!
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  12. #48

    Re: New Source for Stats

    Quote Originally Posted by organizedchaos21 View Post
    I too am unsure is Success Rate is useful when it comes to passing (and I'm hoping to switch to EPA this offseason and leave this question behind for good). In any case, here are the numbers:

    target Targets Catches Yards TD INT FD Success SR
    M.Andrews
    98
    64
    852
    10
    3
    44
    53
    54.1%
    M.Brown
    71
    46
    584
    7
    0
    24
    34
    47.9%
    W.Snead IV
    46
    31
    339
    5
    2
    20
    24
    52.2%
    N.Boyle
    43
    31
    321
    2
    1
    13
    24
    55.8%
    H.Hurst
    39
    30
    349
    2
    0
    16
    27
    69.2%
    S.Roberts
    35
    21
    271
    2
    1
    18
    20
    57.1%
    M.Ingram II
    29
    26
    247
    5
    0
    16
    18
    62.1%
    M.Boykin
    22
    13
    198
    3
    0
    10
    13
    59.1%
    J.Hill
    15
    8
    70
    0
    0
    5
    8
    53.3%
    P.Ricard
    11
    8
    47
    1
    0
    3
    6
    54.5%
    G.Edwards
    7
    7
    45
    0
    0
    2
    5
    71.4%
    C.Moore
    5
    3
    21
    0
    0
    0
    1
    20.0%
    J.Scott
    3
    1
    6
    0
    0
    0
    1
    33.3%

    Oh look! More data suggesting the team should throw to Hayden Hurst more!
    They must think Hurst is bad in practice.... because he is not used anywhere near enough.





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