College football thread

**AmericanMoose723** · 11-10-2019, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan

Tua is severely over rated

Agreed, I want Burrow and that Clemson Kid in the NFC.

**wickedsolo** · 11-10-2019, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by lobachevsky

Y'think mebbe? Does anyone really give (as Frank Perdue might have put it) a frying flock about Twerps sports anymore?

The roundball team isn't getting any better seeding & the pigsbladder team is facing (at best) 3-win seasons for the rest of the century. Big 10 suckered MD & Rutgers in to provide a couple more weeks off for their first teams that still count as Ws in the standings between weeks when they're beating up on one another.

Yep!

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**edromeo** · 11-10-2019, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Uli2001

Right now, that LJ is a better passer than Hurts is a truism. One is an established starting NFL QB on a contender and the other.....

Right. I’m/we’re comparing when Lamar was a college QB prospect to Jalen Hurts as a QB prospect.....not comparing Jalen Hurts as a college QB prospect to Lamar Jackson now.
And as college QB prospects they have similar skill set. I thought that would be an obvious truism to anyone that watched both in college.

**s.r.genovese** · 11-10-2019, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by edromeo

Why not?

I think it would take a lot of mental gymnastics to honestly evaluate their skill set and arrive at the conclusion that they are not similar.

Lamar is special and was special in college because he was a pocket Qb who happened to run a 4.3. That does not describe Hurts.

Hurts plays in a one read offense that is simplified for him and generally only throws to wide open guys. When his first read isn’t there he will tuck it and run. That works very well for him but that is the biggest issue with most running QBs and that is what set Lamar apart. Even as a rookie Lamar was asked to go through progressions and you saw he was adept at it - which is no surprise to people who watched him at Louisville. He ran a pro style offense that required him to go through progressions and generally make tighter window throws. In addition he never had a guy like Lamb to work with, he was generally working with sub-par talent at the receiver position.

Hurts is what people wrongly thought Lamar was: a guy who is a great runner but who generally throws to only wide open guys and isn’t asked to make reads. Baker played in the same offense and was a much more decorated passer and we’re seeing in the pros his biggest issue is getting off his first read when it isn’t there.

**edromeo** · 11-10-2019, 08:11 PM

Sounds to me you are guilty of the same flaws in assessment now with Jalen as others were with Lamar then. You cannot boil down the entirety of a prospects skill set down to “A” single trait.

Any player at any position is a catalogue of skills. If you are going down the list of QB skill set and comparing Lamar as a prospect to Hurts as prospect and you come up with a sum evaluation that they are not similar then I think there are some consistency issues with your evaluation.

Mind you, I am not saying they are identical prospects. I am saying they are similar. That was the original discussion.

You don’t have to preach to me about Lamar’s skill set; I was one the more vocal advocates of his skill set when he was drafted.

.....had to run some errands but if you want to have a discuss this more I’m game but if not that’s fine to....I think it would make for a good discussion if we really compare their skillets

**darb72** · 11-10-2019, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by edromeo

Sounds to me you are guilty of the same flaws in assessment now with Jalen as others were with Lamar then. You cannot boil down the entirety of a prospects skill set down to “A” single trait.

Any player at any position is a catalogue of skills. If you are going down the list of QB skill set and comparing Lamar as a prospect to Hurts as prospect and you come up with a sum evaluation that they are not similar then I think there are some consistency issues with your evaluation.

Mind you, I am not saying they are identical prospects. I am saying they are similar. That was the original discussion.

You don’t have to preach to me about Lamar’s skill set; I was one the more vocal advocates of his skill set when he was drafted.

.....had to run some errands but if you want to have a discuss this more I’m game but if not that’s fine to....I think it would make for a good discussion if we really compare their skillets

If by similar you mean both have strong arms and are good runners, then yeah, they're similar. Personally I'd say Hurts skill set is closer to that of Tim Tebow.

**s.r.genovese** · 11-11-2019, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by darb72

If by similar you mean both have strong arms and are good runners, then yeah, they're similar. Personally I'd say Hurts skill set is closer to that of Tim Tebow.

Agree

**Ravenswintitle** · 11-11-2019, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan

Tua is severely over rated

maybe it's the plate in his broken ankle. that would probably limit a guy who depends on being mobile

**Ortizer** · 11-11-2019, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

Go Minnesota!

I thought we were cool. =(

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**Ortizer** · 11-11-2019, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cleo&Dilly

At this point of the season Cinci holds the number 1 pick. Lets keep our fingers crossed that Burrows winds up elsewhere (outside the AFC North)

My dad is really hoping to see Cincy go chase young

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**Ravenswintitle** · 11-12-2019, 11:02 PM

Watching MAC playoffs and going to OT again like they do. What an entertaining conference to guys like me Year after year

**edromeo** · 11-18-2019, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by edromeo

Sounds to me you are guilty of the same flaws in assessment now with Jalen as others were with Lamar then. You cannot boil down the entirety of a prospects skill set down to “A” single trait.

Any player at any position is a catalogue of skills. If you are going down the list of QB skill set and comparing Lamar as a prospect to Hurts as prospect and you come up with a sum evaluation that they are not similar then I think there are some consistency issues with your evaluation.

Mind you, I am not saying they are identical prospects. I am saying they are similar. That was the original discussion.

You don’t have to preach to me about Lamar’s skill set; I was one the more vocal advocates of his skill set when he was drafted.

.....had to run some errands but if you want to have a discuss this more I’m game but if not that’s fine to....I think it would make for a good discussion if we really compare their skillets

Since the other guy didn't reply back about having a discussion that compares their skillsets...…..i'm not going into a full breakdown

But on this play Jalen shows some of the traits that some in this thread are claiming he doesn't have:

Play-action fake
Starts reading the progression from (L) to (R)---->Full field progression
While scanning (R) his pass-pro breaks downs, and he gets bumped by his RB
then gets bumped by a DL AND his RT that got beat
Keeps his poise and makes a perfect placement throw (off platform- goofy foot) to the slot receiver just past and behind the spy defender