Trump ordered to pay $2M in Trump Foundation settlement, admits misuse of funds

[JAB1985]

If Trump used his foundation to enrich himself and enrich his cronies while selling out American interests...I'd have a big problem it. Everyone would.

Based on what's being reported...that didn't happen. Am I wrong? If it did, correct me.

what was the timeline of these actions? to my knowledge he used the money for his campaign and personal use (personal enrichment), which was then reported in the WaPo first, to which they then moved money to the appropriate charities and agreed to shutdown the foundation while being investigated for those crimes. Is that not accurate?

where does intent fit into the scenario for you, and do you see that as a reaction vs intent?

[ravenmaniac4life]

what was the timeline of these actions? to my knowledge he used the money for his campaign and personal use (personal enrichment), which was then reported in the WaPo first, to which they then moved money to the appropriate charities and agreed to shutdown the foundation while being investigated for those crimes. Is that not accurate?

where does intent fit into the scenario for you, and do you see that as a reaction vs intent?

I know the foundation started in the 80's.

The judge who ruled on the $2 million penalty said that Trump improperly allowed his presidential campaign staff to work with the foundation in holding a fundraiser in the run up to the 2016 primaries.

Trump also used some of the foundation funds to pay for art, sports memorabilia, booze at charity parties, a legal dispute over a flagpole at Mara-Lago, and $5k in ads promoting his businesses. So, yes...there is some personal enrichment going on w/some of that. I'm not sure when that all happened.

The Foundation also raised $20 million in the last decade alone, so...there's that. The good clearly outweighs the bad, but...yeah...Trump is definitely an asshole for doing shit like that. I don't think anyone on this forum would disagree w/that.

If any of this effected America and our political interests, that would be an entirely different situation.

[blah3]

I’m not sure trump got personal enrichment from this....


The judge declined New York’s request for Trump to pay more than $5 million in damages, in addition to the restitution. The judge cited the restrictions under Trump’s agreements with James for not imposing the damages award.

The restitution is less than the $2.8 million plus interest sought by New York. The judge said a lower amount was justified because the money Trump’s campaign improperly distributed had ultimately made its way to charitable causes. Still, James praised the ruling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune...s-lawsuit/amp/

[ravenmaniac4life]

I know the foundation started in the 80's.

The judge who ruled on the $2 million penalty said that Trump improperly allowed his presidential campaign staff to work with the foundation in holding a fundraiser in the run up to the 2016 primaries.

Trump also used some of the foundation funds to pay for art, sports memorabilia, booze at charity parties, a legal dispute over a flagpole at Mara-Lago, and $5k in ads promoting his businesses. So, yes...there is some personal enrichment going on w/some of that. I'm not sure when that all happened.

The Foundation also raised $20 million in the last decade alone, so...there's that. The good clearly outweighs the bad, but...yeah...Trump is definitely an asshole for doing shit like that. I don't think anyone on this forum would disagree w/that.

If any of this effected America and our political interests, that would be an entirely different situation.

Here's what this all boils down too...


During this "cultural war" that we're all living in right now...things like "collegiality” and "presidential" aren’t the qualities we're looking for in the person who is leading the way to fight this radical Left ideology of being politically correct, identity politics, and "cancel culture" that's infested our everyday lives.

I read an article recently that outlined this really well. I can’t find it, but...it really made sense.

In wartime...Ulysses S Grant was a damn drunk whose behavior in peacetime might've gotten him kicked out of the army had the civil war not been going on. If Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of the day to Grant...he probably would've booted Grant to the curb, and the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln knew what Grant was. He didn't care. He said...“I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking asshole. In peacetime, this might've resulted in him being demoted. If FDR applied the normal rules of decorum at the time...Hitler and the Socialists might be well into their "thousand year" Reich.

The point being...Trump is fighting these "ruling class" douchebags and the Left is pointing out how "uncivilized" he is and how he's not a "moral man" while they pretend to be virtuous. Who cares? He's a fighter and the country is thriving! That's what we've wanted for years after watching GWB lay down...after watching McCain lay down and lose...after watching Romney lay down and lose. We've got someone who's not a politician in office who fights against the assholes who haven't solved any of the problems plaguing our country today. They've had decades to move the needle. Decades. They failed. Damn right we're rooting for the guy who hasn't been part of the problem and who the swamp hates. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The country is doing well on historical levels and he's standing up to the globalist cabal that's been in power. It's about damn time.

Prior to being POTUS...Trump misusing funds from his Foundation doesn't change any of that.

[bossofataka]

Here's what this all boils down too...


During this "cultural war" that we're all living in right now...things like "collegiality” and "presidential" aren’t the qualities we're looking for in the person who is leading the way to fight this radical Left ideology of being politically correct, identity politics, and "cancel culture" that's infested our everyday lives.

I read an article recently that outlined this really well. I can’t find it, but...it really made sense.

In wartime...Ulysses S Grant was a damn drunk whose behavior in peacetime might've gotten him kicked out of the army had the civil war not been going on. If Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of the day to Grant...he probably would've booted Grant to the curb, and the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln knew what Grant was. He didn't care. He said...“I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking asshole. In peacetime, this might've resulted in him being demoted. If FDR applied the normal rules of decorum at the time...Hitler and the Socialists might be well into their "thousand year" Reich.

The point being...Trump is fighting these "ruling class" douchebags and the Left is pointing out how "uncivilized" he is and how he's not a "moral man" while they pretend to be virtuous. Who cares? He's a fighter and the country is thriving! That's what we've wanted for years after watching GWB lay down...after watching McCain lay down and lose...after watching Romney lay down and lose. We've got someone who's not a politician in office who fights against the assholes who haven't solved any of the problems plaguing our country today. They've had decades to move the needle. Decades. They failed. Damn right we're rooting for the guy who hasn't been part of the problem and who the swamp hates. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The country is doing well on historical levels and he's standing up to the globalist cabal that's been in power. It's about damn time.

Prior to being POTUS...Trump misusing funds from his Foundation doesn't change any of that.

This is why you exaggerate, twist and lie so much then I assume? You see it as a "war" where any means necessary can be justified?

"Hitler and the socialists"??? Lol

BTW, you´ve been on a crusade against the Clinton Foundation. No mentioning there of how much they´ve actually helped, which anyone almost would testify to. Makes Trumps "foundation" look ridiculous. Yet, you praise him, even though he enriched himself, because he raised atleast soem for others. This does not apply to Clinton why?

[WrongBaldy]

This is why you exaggerate, twist and lie so much then I assume? You see it as a "war" where any means necessary can be justified?

"Hitler and the socialists"??? Lol

BTW, you´ve been on a crusade against the Clinton Foundation. No mentioning there of how much they´ve actually helped, which anyone almost would testify to. Makes Trumps "foundation" look ridiculous. Yet, you praise him, even though he enriched himself, because he raised atleast soem for others. This does not apply to Clinton why?

[JimZipCode]

In wartime – Ulysses S Grant was a damn drunk whose behavior in peacetime might've gotten him kicked out of the army had the civil war not been going on.

Unsubstantiated, by the way.

When Grant originally resigned his commission in 1854, he may have missed muster once, and it was blamed on drink. From the time Grant rejoined the army in April-June of 1861, until really his death in 1885, there is no near-hand report whatsoever of Grant drinking to access. There are a TON of allegations from the wartime period, of Grant's drinking. Without exception, those were from people hundreds or a thousand miles away from Grant. Who also happened to be professional rivals.

From the reading I've done on it, the impression I've gathered is that the US Army of that period was a pack of jealous old women spreading rumors about each other in pursuit of advancement. One of the oddities of that war is that the professional soldiers did not in general get a ton of opportunities or commands. The standing army at the start of the war was very small, and most of them were stationed out West, acting against Indians. The forces raised to fight the Confederacy were "volunteer army", as opposed to "regular army". The distinction was very important to the career professionals.

Grant's rapid rise inspired some resentment – I don't think jealousy is too strong a word – and it appears to me that the regular officers recycled old rumors about Grant being a drunk. Many of those went straight to Lincoln. Lincoln sent men out to evaluate Lincoln close-hand; without exception they loved him.

The available reports don't even paint Grant as a teetotaler, what we might think of as a recovering alcoholic. At the surrender of Ft Donelson, Grant shared a brandy with the opposing officer at the ceremony. Grant & his staff would sit around in camp and share a couple drinks at night, while in the field. So Grant seemed to have the same drinks "socially" as all the other officers did. Not abstaining.

When you filter out the allegations from officers hundreds & hundreds of miles away, who stood to gain professionally if Grant were pushed aside, there is literally nothing from the Civil War years to suggest that Grant was a drunk. Maybe Cadwallader? He allges that he witnessed Grant drunk a couple nights, during the months-long seige of Vicksburg. Other than that, nothing whatsoever.

Note that Grant was a tiny guy, like 160#. Built like a jockey. I imagine he couldn't put away very much without showing the effects.



Anyway: my estimation is that the portrait of Grant as a drunk is somewhere between pure bullshit and wild exaggeration. There's a nugget of substance: whatever happened at Ft Humboldt in California in 1854. Everything else seems to be founded on rumors generated by resentful peers during the war, and expanded post-war by Lost Cause devotees, who burnished Lee's reputation by tarnishing Grant's. I suggest you look at all of it with a hearty dose of skepticism.

Sorry, this is all a side note. Completely unrelated to the thread topic. I have a particular interest in Grant and the Civil War era.

[ravenmaniac4life]

I have a particular interest in Grant and the Civil War era.

One of my "bucket list" wants is to camp out in Devil's Den in G-burg during the 1st three days in July.

You are right. There was a lot of rumor/innuendo about Grant's reputation but the context in which Lincoln vouched for him was aligned to my broader point. Abe didn't care. He liked him because he was a fighter and he wasn't about to fire him.

[JimZipCode]

...the context in which Lincoln vouched for him was aligned to my broader point.

I'm specifically trying to stay away from your broader point.
Would like to avoid getting too entangled in this thread.

Abe didn't care. He liked him because he was a fighter and he wasn't about to fire him.

Lincoln's quote about him is my second favorite from the war years: "Get my other generals a case of whatever Grant is drinking!"

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Or whatever the specific wording is supposed to be. I just looked it up, and I'm disappointed to find that the quote might well be apocryphal. Sad!

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/0...el-of-whiskey/