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Re: Trumps "faith advisor" and personal pastor....
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11-15-2019, 07:11 PM #87Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Trumps "faith advisor" and personal pastor....
I think we speak around each other here a bit. What Iīm saying is that the basis for morality, like empathy to take one specific, is (unless you suffer from psychopathy etc) a trait that has evolved in atleast primates and probably other mammals aswell. This is what is the basis when we think of and construct ethics and morals to follow. Thereīs still much to learn here, but there shouldnīt really be any debate that this is the case? Iīm not saying we are born with a full moral guide or anything like that, rather with the genetic blueprint for it.
We certainly "think", wheather we truly have a "free will" though is something else, but we donīt need to dive into that now perhaps.
Iīm quite familiar with judeo christian view on morality. We might be one of the more secular countries in the world, but we still studied the bible, went to church and live in a society that is and was christian.
This is one of the most common misconceptions about evolution, and apparently about morality too then. No, of course itīs not okay, and the main reason for this is of course that most of us, through are empathy that has been part of most constructed ethic and moral paths to follow, tell us that itīs wrong to inflict harm. That we ought to help, and our instincts are usually to do just that when we see someone harming another person or animal. Iīm not talking about what would coldly, strictly speaking be "best for humanity", because we are not detached from our empathy. Doing what the nazis did for example goes against our humanity, and most that participated in the killings took so much drugs they barely could function and still most couldnīt function, even with the brain washing of the nazis, hence the use of gas, because the guards couldnīt cope shooting them in cold blood (except the psychos that must have had a paradise for a few years there...) and so on and if the word PTSD had existed then, yeah. Itīs usually going against our nature to inflict harm in direct ways.
But, of course, there can almost always be a case made for subjective morality. Kill one to save two, kill yourself rather than hitting the bus with school children and all those moral problems you know. The one prime example for a truly objective moral is rape of course, Youīd be hard pressed to make any sort of moral claim to justify that. Torture of a pet is another.
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11-15-2019, 07:35 PM #88Four-eyed Raven
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Re: Trumps "faith advisor" and personal pastor....
Holy shit. You guys really did go down the Christian Apologetics "there's no morality without God" rabbit hole.
Wow.
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