2019 NFL starting QBs who are not as good as Kaepernick

[JimZipCode]

Kaep finished '16 with these stats:

NFL passer rating: 90.7
ESPN's QBR: 49.5
PFR's ANY/A: 5.92

Listen, I agree with you: no stat perfectly captures everything about QB performance. Passer rating ignores sacks & fumbles. ANY/A ignores fumbles (I think?). Who the hell knows what QBR tracks & ignores.

BUT! Let's don't pretend those stats are completely useless either. The right guys tend to be at the top & bottom of those lists. If you're gaining yards on pass attempts, throwing TDs and avoiding picks, then you're going to be high in passer rating. If you're not doing those things, you're going to be low in passer rating. And so forth. Those stats between them capture most of what can be captured. If you're playing great, it tends to leave a statistical trace. If you're sucking ass, it tends to leave a statistical trace.

These guys below have been sucking ass, one way or another. Each is under one of the Kaep thresholds this season, in at least one (maybe all three) of those stats:

Rosen
Darnold
Trubisky
Baker
Danny Dimes
Fitzmajick
Red Rifle
Joe Flacco
Kyle Allen
Josh Allen
Mariota
Jameis
Tannehill
Goff
Minshew
Case Keenum
Bridgewater
Kyler

Brian Hoyer was great in relief of Brissett on Sunday: but man, Indy is awfully thin now. Likewise Brandon Allen & the Broncos.



We all understand that when you have a first-round rookie or 2nd-yr player, you give him playing time even though he's bad at first, so he develops. You want to hasten the time when he's ready to lead you to a championship. I get it. I'm not saying Kyler should be benched for an aging veteran: nor Darnold, Baker, Daniel Jones, Josh Allen. Of course not.

But Trubisky? 37yo Fitz? Please.

[boller4president]

The last thing the world needs is another Keapernick thread.

[JimZipCode]

The last thing the world needs is another Keapernick thread.

Not if it's a good one!

[NjRavensFan]

The last thing the world needs is another Keapernick thread.

I am one of the biggest Kaepernick supporters there is and honestly I couldn't agree more at this point.

This is not the setting for productive discourse on (or anywhere near) this topic. It never will be.

[JimZipCode]

This is not the setting for productive discourse on (or anywhere near) this topic. It never will be.

Sadly, nowhere seems to be.

I will say: I think this year has got to be pretty much it. Dude's 32, and has been out of football for 3 seasons. I don't think I could credibly claim next offseason that he belongs on a roster. If indeed it was still credible this past offseason.

[Culex]

Sadly, nowhere seems to be.

I will say: I think this year has got to be pretty much it. Dude's 32, and has been out of football for 3 seasons. I don't think I could credibly claim next offseason that he belongs on a roster. If indeed it was still credible this past offseason.

As it currently stands, you can't even give an accurate measure of how good he is because of how long he has been out of football making your original premise pretty much vain.

[BPF2]

Dude's 32, and has been out of football for 3 seasons. I don't think I could credibly claim next offseason that he belongs on a roster. If indeed it was still credible this past offseason.

You could say similar for Ray Rice. 32 and out of ball for 3 seasons. There are plenty of bad RBs out there that he may be better than (assuming he's stayed in shape, I have no idea). And I would argue it is probably easier for an in-shape RB to step back into the game than a QB just because of the mental requirements of QB and the higher skill required to make all the throws vs run the ball.

But no one is signing someone out of the league that long who brings baggage.

[boller4president]

Sadly, nowhere seems to be.

I will say: I think this year has got to be pretty much it. Dude's 32, and has been out of football for 3 seasons. I don't think I could credibly claim next offseason that he belongs on a roster. If indeed it was still credible this past offseason.

It was never about whether he had the talent to be on a roster it's whether it was worth it for him to be on the roster knowing everything that comes along with that. The answer early was maybe at this point the answer is clearly no.

I've went through this before we all have but you can't say him being out of football for three years he is ready to play which is only reason why half of those NFL qb's have jobs. He's also a full vegan and looks like he'd be killed if he ever stepped back on a football field. This is just PR at this point his career is over.

It's time for people to move on.

[JimZipCode]

you can't say him being out of football for three years he is ready to play which is only reason why half of those NFL qb's have jobs.

Oh no, I totally can't say he's ready. Neither can any NFL teams. Because they haven't worked him out.

He's also a full vegan and looks like he'd be killed if he ever stepped back on a football field.

Is that true?!? I had not heard that.

That seems super risky for someone who wants to be a football player. I would assume you'd need meat in your diet to keep sufficient muscle mass. Like, a lot of meat.

[Culex]

The last thing the world needs is another Keapernick thread.

The last thing a thread that isn't needed needs is responses. Seems to be a common trend here for guys to respond to threads that they feel are unnecessary and therefore giving it the pulse they feel it shouldn't have.

[JimZipCode]

As it currently stands, you can't even give an accurate measure of how good he is because of how long he has been out of football making your original premise pretty much vain.

Fair.

For the sake of argument, I'll go by his (or his agent's?) declaration from a few wks ago, that he's fit and ready to go. Obviously that's "unproven", to put it politely. But y'know, the reason we don't have any contradictory info is that no team's even worked him out.

[Noelle18]

I look at that list and say wow Thank God for Lamar

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