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    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    You mean like the plea deal Flynn took that we're not learning was a set-up by democrats in the FBI who altered evidence to make it look like a crime was committed? Those kind of plea deals?
    Yeah, keep wriggling.

    What is your response to the objective measurement that finds Trump's administration to be filled with the MOST criminals per-year of every presidential administration since Nixon?

    These are actual guilty findings about actual crimes in actual criminal cases.





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    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    Yeah, keep wriggling.

    What is your response to the objective measurement that finds Trump's administration to be filled with the MOST criminals per-year of every presidential administration since Nixon?

    These are actual guilty findings about actual crimes in actual criminal cases.
    Hmmm. Obama rigged an election
    Clinton used a secret server and then deleted 30,000 gov documents

    Maniford didn’t pay taxes years before he was part of the trump campaign
    Flynn is in jail for admitting to lying when the investigators said he didn’t lie.

    And in your eyes, tax evasion years ago is much worse than fixing elections and deleting gov documents.

    Nice to know where you stand on corruption.





  3. #51

    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    What is your response to the objective measurement that finds Trump's administration to be filled with the MOST criminals per-year of every presidential administration since Nixon?

    These are actual guilty findings about actual crimes in actual criminal cases.
    I assume you're referring to this "objective" list?
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...s-of-9-17-2018

    Let's dive into this a little and shed some light on what ACTUAL crimes these people were charged with...

    For context purposes, this is ALL a result of the Mueller investigation, but Jim is pretending that what Mueller found was a reflection on the godfather-like Trump criminal empire that is clearly running the country. Let's go through some of the names on this list just so we can see how OBJECTIVE this all really is.


    Paul Manafort:
    Manafort was Trump’s campaign chairman for 5 months in 2016.

    He was convicted of tax fraud, bank fraud and not filling out foreign agent paperwork. All of these crimes took place in 2013 – 2015…years before he worked for Trump.

    Tony Podesta (the brother of HRC’s campaign manager) was also proven to have committed the same crime of not filling out “foreign agent” paperwork as Manafort, but…he was granted immunity by the FBI.


    Michael Cohen:
    Trump’s personal attorney since 2006.

    He was convicted of tax fraud related to his own Taxi Medallian business.

    According to Lynne Patton…one of Trump’s close personal confidants…Robert Mueller threatened legal action against Michael Cohen’s wife because she was the co-guarantor of a $20M personal loan that Mueller discovered Michael secured back in 2015 by falsely inflating the value of his taxi medallions…which made her an accomplice to the federal charge of “Making False Statements to a Financial Institution.” to which Cohen ultimately plead guilty. Cohen’s longtime taxi medallion partner…Gene Freidman…was granted immunity in order to testify against Cohen.


    General Michael Flynn:
    Flynn was a national security advisor to Trump for 23 days.

    Flynn was accused by Peter Strzok of lying to the FBI when he was questioned about talking about Russian sanctions w/Russian ambassadors. Flynn was initially cleared of any wrongdoing, but was eventually charged for lying to the FBI. Flynn’s finances were depleted in order to pay for his legal defense. Instead of fighting the false charge…Flynn pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate w/Mueller.

    According to a recent legal motion…it turns out that the meeting notes that Strzok took during the Flynn interview did not match the 302 report which Lisa Paige (Strzok’s mistress) admitted to editing after the fact. Flynn was setup.

    *Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills were proven to have lied to Peter Strzok as well during the Clinton email investigation. Neither were charged w/a crime.


    Rick Gates
    Gates was charged w/filing falsified tax returns and bank loans related to his work with Paul Manafort and Tony Podesta….which pre-dates any association w/Trump.


    George Papadopoulos
    This is the best one!

    Papadopoulos was a low-level foreign policy adviser to Trump who confessed to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the campaign.

    What was the false statement? Joseph Mifsud approached Papadopoulos in March of 2016 right when Papadopolous was officially on the Trump team. Papadopoulos’s interview w/the FBI was in January of 2017. He told the FBI that Mifsud told him the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.” Papadopoulos told the agents that at the time Mifsud shared this information…he wasn’t on the Trump team yet. Papadopolous officially joined Trump’s team on 3/21/16. He met w/Mifsud the following week.

    Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days in prison for lying to the FBI.

    Mifsud's legal counsel has since admitted that Mifsud was working for the CIA and was NOT a Russian operative as reported by the Mueller team. Yikes! That's gotta be a conspiracy theory...right? Nope.



    So...these 5 guys are the big kahuna's that CLEARLY show the Trump administration is just so damn corrupt. Tax evasion, falsifying loan applications, failing to fill out paperwork. All of which have nothing to do w/the President, but...whatever. Look at this list! It's almost like the Flynn setup and the Papadopolous setup were purposfully left off of this article on purpose. I can't imagine why.




    Btw, it’s hilarious that Marina Butina is somehow attached to Trump in this “objective” list. She is the Russian lawyer who met w/members of the Trump team when she claimed that she had damming information about Hilary Clinton. During the meeting…no information was given and it turned out to be a ruse to talk about some inconsequential law.. What is NEVER mentioned is that Butina met w/Fusion GPS owner Glenn Simpson prior to that meeting and after that meeting. Fusion GPS is the firm that Hilary Clinton hired to dig up dirt on Donald Trump. Lol. The irony is too rich.

    What’s even more entertaining is that the Russian “troll farm” people who spent $100k on social media ads are somehow CRIMINAL and associated w/Trump. What's not mentioned in this OBJECTIVE list is that this "troll farm" was never proven to have anything to do w/the Kremlin or the Russian government. A judge actually dismissed this claim in court. However...these social media ads are the ACTUAL foreign interference into the 2016 election that Mueller uncovered. Let that sink in. Social media ads purchased by a bunch of people who rooted for Ivan Drago in Rocky4 is a criminal offense according to Mueller…and…on this “objective” list…they are so obviously part of Trump’s criminal network.

    Man! That whole Mueller investigation was on point, eh? His testimony on capital hill was so incredible! He was really on top of his game, right? So many charges! So much criminal activity! He really did a great job! NONE of it had anything to do w/actual election interference (cough, UKRAINE, cough)…but…whatever…look at this “objective” list!

    Btw, Artem Stynk, the Director of the Ukranian Corruption Bureau...which the Obama administration help setup...ADMITTED on tape that he helped boost Hilary Clinton's campaign for President. HE ADMITTED IT! Done! Boom! There's your interference! THIS is what is being uncovered by Durham and Barr and why the Democrats desperately want to impeach the President. THIS admission has been completely ignored by EVERY SINGLE MSM outlet. Lol. No big deal, right?



    Thx for the laugh Jim. Keep em comin!
    Last edited by ravenmaniac4life; 10-29-2019 at 04:58 PM.





  4. #52

    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    What is your response to the objective measurement that finds Trump's administration to be the MOST criminal presidential administration since Nixon?
    (on a per-year basis)

    We're talking about prosecutors and judges (and juries & grand juries) finding people guilty of actual crimes; or defendants taking plea deals.
    The DOJ was in Obama’s back pocket, so they weren’t going to do anything to his minions no matter how guilty they were. Comey even admitted that had it been anyone else but Hillary (with the server), they would’ve been prosecuted. I’m sure he meant anyone not connected to Obama.





  5. #53

    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    I assume you're referring to this "objective" list?
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...s-of-9-17-2018

    Let's dive into this a little and shed some light on what ACTUAL crimes these people were charged with...

    For context purposes, this is ALL a result of the Mueller investigation, but Jim is pretending that what Mueller found was a reflection on the godfather-like Trump criminal empire that is clearly running the country. Let's go through some of the names on this list just so we can see how OBJECTIVE this all really is.


    Paul Manafort:
    Manafort was Trump’s campaign chairman for 5 months in 2016.

    He was convicted of tax fraud, bank fraud and not filling out foreign agent paperwork. All of these crimes took place in 2013 – 2015…years before he worked for Trump.

    Tony Podesta (the brother of HRC’s campaign manager) was also proven to have committed the same crime of not filling out “foreign agent” paperwork as Manafort, but…he was granted immunity by the FBI.


    Michael Cohen:
    Trump’s personal attorney since 2006.

    He was convicted of tax fraud related to his own Taxi Medallian business.

    According to Lynne Patton…one of Trump’s close personal confidants…Robert Mueller threatened legal action against Michael Cohen’s wife because she was the co-guarantor of a $20M personal loan that Mueller discovered Michael secured back in 2015 by falsely inflating the value of his taxi medallions…which made her an accomplice to the federal charge of “Making False Statements to a Financial Institution.” to which Cohen ultimately plead guilty. Cohen’s longtime taxi medallion partner…Gene Freidman…was granted immunity in order to testify against Cohen.


    General Michael Flynn:
    Flynn was a national security advisor to Trump for 23 days.

    Flynn was accused by Peter Strzok of lying to the FBI when he was questioned about talking about Russian sanctions w/Russian ambassadors. Flynn was initially cleared of any wrongdoing, but was eventually charged for lying to the FBI. Flynn’s finances were depleted in order to pay for his legal defense. Instead of fighting the false charge…Flynn pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate w/Mueller.

    According to a recent legal motion…it turns out that the meeting notes that Strzok took during the Flynn interview did not match the 302 report which Lisa Paige (Strzok’s mistress) admitted to editing after the fact. Flynn was setup.

    *Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills were proven to have lied to Peter Strzok as well during the Clinton email investigation. Neither were charged w/a crime.


    Rick Gates
    Gates was charged w/filing falsified tax returns and bank loans related to his work with Paul Manafort and Tony Podesta….which pre-dates any association w/Trump.


    George Papadopoulos
    This is the best one!

    Papadopoulos was a low-level foreign policy adviser to Trump who confessed to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the campaign.

    What was the false statement? Joseph Mifsud approached Papadopoulos in March of 2016 right when Papadopolous was officially on the Trump team. Papadopoulos’s interview w/the FBI was in January of 2017. He told the FBI that Mifsud told him the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.” Papadopoulos told the agents that at the time Mifsud shared this information…he wasn’t on the Trump team yet. Papadopolous officially joined Trump’s team on 3/21/16. He met w/Mifsud the following week.

    Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days in prison for lying to the FBI.

    Mifsud's legal counsel has since admitted that Mifsud was working for the CIA and was NOT a Russian operative as reported by the Mueller team. Yikes! That's gotta be a conspiracy theory...right? Nope.



    So...these 5 guys are the big kahuna's that CLEARLY show the Trump administration is just so damn corrupt. Tax evasion, falsifying loan applications, failing to fill out paperwork. All of which have nothing to do w/the President, but...whatever. Look at this list! It's almost like the Flynn setup and the Papadopolous setup were purposfully left off of this article on purpose. I can't imagine why.




    Btw, it’s hilarious that Marina Butina is somehow attached to Trump in this “objective” list. She is the Russian lawyer who met w/members of the Trump team when she claimed that she had damming information about Hilary Clinton. During the meeting…no information was given and it turned out to be a ruse to talk about some inconsequential law.. What is NEVER mentioned is that Butina met w/Fusion GPS owner Glenn Simpson prior to that meeting and after that meeting. Fusion GPS is the firm that Hilary Clinton hired to dig up dirt on Donald Trump. Lol. The irony is too rich.

    What’s even more entertaining is that the Russian “troll farm” people who spent $100k on social media ads are somehow CRIMINAL and associated w/Trump. What's not mentioned in this OBJECTIVE list is that this "troll farm" was never proven to have anything to do w/the Kremlin or the Russian government. A judge actually dismissed this claim in court. However...these social media ads are the ACTUAL foreign interference into the 2016 election that Mueller uncovered. Let that sink in. Social media ads purchased by a bunch of people who rooted for Ivan Drago in Rocky4 is a criminal offense according to Mueller…and…on this “objective” list…they are so obviously part of Trump’s criminal network.

    Man! That whole Mueller investigation was on point, eh? His testimony on capital hill was so incredible! He was really on top of his game, right? So many charges! So much criminal activity! He really did a great job! NONE of it had anything to do w/actual election interference (cough, UKRAINE, cough)…but…whatever…look at this “objective” list!

    Btw, Artem Stynk, the Director of the Ukranian Corruption Bureau...which the Obama administration help setup...ADMITTED on tape that he helped boost Hilary Clinton's campaign for President. HE ADMITTED IT! Done! Boom! There's your interference! THIS is what is being uncovered by Durham and Barr and why the Democrats desperately want to impeach the President. THIS admission has been completely ignored by EVERY SINGLE MSM outlet. Lol. No big deal, right?



    Thx for the laugh Jim. Keep em comin!
    That is what a bitch slap looks like in slow motion





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    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    Yeah, keep wriggling.

    What is your response to the objective measurement that finds Trump's administration to be filled with the MOST criminals per-year of every presidential administration since Nixon?

    These are actual guilty findings about actual crimes in actual criminal cases.
    Maniac just bitch-slapped you for me.
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    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Paul Manafort:
    Manafort was Trump’s campaign chairman for 5 months in 2016.

    He was convicted of tax fraud, bank fraud and not filling out foreign agent paperwork. All of these crimes took place in 2013 – 2015 – years before he worked for Trump.
    "Only the best people."


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Tony Podesta (the brother of HRC’s campaign manager) was also proven to have committed the same crime of not filling out “foreign agent” paperwork as Manafort, but – he was granted immunity by the FBI.
    For testimony, I assume?


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Michael Cohen:
    Trump’s personal attorney since 2006.

    He was convicted of tax fraud related to his own Taxi Medallian business.
    "Only the best people."


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Robert Mueller threatened legal action against Michael Cohen’s wife because she was the co-guarantor of a $20M personal loan that Mueller discovered Michael secured back in 2015 by falsely inflating the value of his taxi medallions – which made her an accomplice to the federal charge of “Making False Statements to a Financial Institution.” to which Cohen ultimately plead guilty. Cohen’s longtime taxi medallion partner – Gene Freidman – was granted immunity in order to testify against Cohen.
    They threatened two and flipped one? I'm not sure of the import of this paragraph?


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    General Michael Flynn:
    Flynn was a national security advisor to Trump for 23 days.

    Flynn was accused by Peter Strzok of lying to the FBI when he was questioned about talking about Russian sanctions w/Russian ambassadors. Flynn was initially cleared of any wrongdoing, but was eventually charged for lying to the FBI. Flynn’s finances were depleted in order to pay for his legal defense.… Flynn pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate w/Mueller.
    So – we're "blaming the refs"?


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    According to a recent legal motion – it turns out that the meeting notes that Strzok took during the Flynn interview did not match the 302 report which Lisa Paige (Strzok’s mistress) admitted to editing after the fact.
    "Did not match" in what particulars? I assume that meeting "notes" are always cleaned up & "formalized" for inclusion in a report.


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Instead of fighting the false charge …
    Flynn was setup.
    Conclusion supported by – ?


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    *Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills were proven to have lied to Peter Strzok as well during the Clinton email investigation. Neither were charged w/a crime.
    Citation?
    Lied about what?


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Rick Gates
    Gates was charged w/filing falsified tax returns and bank loans related to his work with Paul Manafort and Tony Podesta – which pre-dates any association w/Trump.
    "Only the best people."


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    George Papadopoulos
    This is the best one!

    Papadopoulos was a low-level foreign policy adviser to Trump who confessed to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the campaign.

    What was the false statement? Joseph Mifsud approached Papadopoulos in March of 2016 right when Papadopolous was officially on the Trump team. Papadopoulos’s interview w/the FBI was in January of 2017. He told the FBI that Mifsud told him the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.” Papadopoulos told the agents that at the time Mifsud shared this information – he wasn’t on the Trump team yet. Papadopolous officially joined Trump’s team on 3/21/16. He met w/Mifsud the following week.

    Papadopoulos was sentenced to 14 days in prison for lying to the FBI.
    I disbelieve you are telling me the entire story here. "Lying" to the FBI would have to encompass knowing what you said is untrue, and intent to deceive. Transposing dates of something in the past would not be sufficient.


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Mifsud's legal counsel has since admitted that Mifsud was working for the CIA and was NOT a Russian operative as reported by the Mueller team. Yikes! That's gotta be a conspiracy theory, right? Nope.
    Sounds whack, definitely.

    Working for the CIA in what capacity? Was this known to Mueller's team at the time, or kept hidden by the CIA?


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    these 5 guys are the big kahuna's that CLEARLY show the Trump administration is just so damn corrupt. Tax evasion, falsifying loan applications, failing to fill out paperwork.
    Are these, or are they not, crimes?

    You're implying that these are nothing. Yet Al Capone finally went down for tax evasion. Your "minimization" case is not made.


    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    All of which have nothing to do w/the President, but whatever. Look at this list! It's almost like the Flynn setup and the Papadopolous setup were purposfully left off of this article on purpose. I can't imagine why.
    Details of ALL of the convictions were left off of the article, including Clinton's and W's and Reagans, except for the ones that were "new" since the last version of the article appeared. "Can't imagine why"? You don't have to, you could read.



    You have a little more here, but I have to step out for a couple hours.





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    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    The DOJ was in Obama’s back pocket, so they weren’t going to do anything to his minions no matter how guilty they were.
    Shyah. Blame the refs. Works every time!


    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Comey even admitted that had it been anyone else but Hillary (with the server), they would’ve been prosecuted. I’m sure he meant anyone not connected to Obama.
    Link? That is certainly not what he said in his two public statements.





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    Re: and now it begins, BREAKING: Review Into Origins of the Russia Investigation Is Now A Criminal Inquiry

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    I assume you're referring to this "objective" list?
    Et tu, Roger Stone?!?

    Oh, the unfairness of it all! Goddam those liberal prosecutors and judges.

    And juries.





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