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  1. #1
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    Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Ok RSR Family....I figured since we have like a zillion threads about Lamar or the Offense why donít we have a thread about the Achilles Heel of this team ...the Defense?!

    Strange as it sounds ...this D isnít yourís and mine. We no longer are Top 10 and feared league wide? Why? Is it players? Coach? Scheme? Injury? A little of all of it?

    I think the coach is very good. The scheme may be a little complex ? That leads me to players. Maybe Wink needs guys with a higher Football IQ? We had that last year with Suggs, Weddle, and Mosley. I think ET has it for sure and Hump is right there ( still has a few brain farts ). But thatís it IMHO.
    Everyone else is a place holder. Decent to good player but not a leader. This is where we need to improve and I donít see how we do this year.




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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    I think it's really simple.

    We lost 5 starters in Free Agency (Mosley, Urban, Weddle, Z. Smith, Suggs)

    We lost 4 starters to injury (T. Young, J. Smith, Jefferson, B. Williams)

    And guys we hoped would take the next step in their development clearly did not (Expecting Peanut to be a MIKE, K. Young, Board, T. Williams, Bowser, Averett, Henry)

    It's just too much to overcome. If we can get a stud or two in free agency, have some of our young dart throws actually develop (ie Daylon Mack, Chris Board, DeShon Elliot, Kenny Young, Anthony Averett) and maybe even get early returns on an early 2020 pick I think this turns right around.

    But looking at the turnover and the history of the guys we were hoping could replace them, I think it's very clearly just a talent issue. The scheme is fine, we had the #1 defense last year, we just lost all the horses.
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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrubbs View Post
    I think it's really simple.

    We lost 5 starters in Free Agency (Mosley, Urban, Weddle, Z. Smith, Suggs)

    We lost 4 starters to injury (T. Young, J. Smith, Jefferson, B. Williams)

    And guys we hoped would take the next step in their development clearly did not (Expecting Peanut to be a MIKE, K. Young, Board, T. Williams, Bowser, Averett, Henry)

    It's just too much to overcome. If we can get a stud or two in free agency, have some of our young dart throws actually develop (ie Daylon Mack, Chris Board, DeShon Elliot, Kenny Young, Anthony Averett) and maybe even get early returns on an early 2020 pick I think this turns right around.

    But looking at the turnover and the history of the guys we were hoping could replace them, I think it's very clearly just a talent issue. The scheme is fine, we had the #1 defense last year, we just lost all the horses.
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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Nothing wrong with this defense that adding Gerald McCoy & Jadaveon Clowney & Shaq Barrett wouldn't fix.





  5. Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Losing key pieces from last year really hurt in terms of being set on defense but no one could make a play plus barely any pass rush. z smith was decent but no real big interior rush. missed draft picks are catching up. hopefully Decosta can build the defense like the offense in this draft.





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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    Nothing wrong with this defense that adding Gerald McCoy & Jadaveon Clowney & Shaq Barrett wouldn't fix.
    I like the way you think sometimes Jimmy!


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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    I feel like we have lots of threads about the defense?





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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    No pass rush is the main culprit. Both interior and edge pressure is abysmal. Loss of Suggs and ZDS and we never replaced them. They tried to get Houston to replace ZDS but he chose Indy. They hoped McPhee would replace Suggs to an extent and they also missed out on Gerald McCoy to bring some juice to iDL.

    EDC tried in FA, just couldn't land the guys he wanted. Paying ZDS made no sense at the time but he's looked like a stud in GB so in hindsight I wish we did. We tried to retain Siz and counted on him being back..

    Then the ILB play has been terrible. Again, Jets way overpayed for CJ but we miss him big time. I think both sides regret not agreeing to an extension before he hit market. We hit a home run with Orr a few years ago and thought Peanut would have the same impact.

    We made the smart moves at the time, many of them just didn't bounce our way.





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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Need a serious infusion talent and experience.


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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    We have 39 players under contract next year with about $60 million in cap space.

    Iíd expect Stanley to get done in the offseason and reset the LT market. So about $17 million a year.

    So just going by the AAV (I know Stanleyís contract can be structured to lower the cap hit) we would have around $43 million to fill in the remaining 14 guys. About $3 million per player. Obviously there will be a bunch of lower end guys not making that as well as guys over that.

    Simply donít think we can afford a Clowney who is having a great year and may get more than Stanley on the open market. And if we do swing for Clowney, that means the rest of the players we would need to sign would be replacement level guys.

    I think this team needs all the draft picks we can possibly get and move up high in the draft for an impactful pass rusher. We need one desperately.

    I donít think we find one in the high teens/early 20ís.

    OLB and MLB. Actually the middle of our defense is in shambles at the moment. We could use a replacement at almost every position.





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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Another thing....

    I truly believe that the coaches ďheard the noiseĒ this offseason from the media and fans.

    That this organization has had success with letting guys get overpaid in free agency and replacing them with drafted guys.

    This year they simply attempted to do it again but we lost a couple very good football players and replaced them with JAGís. And itís showing every Sunday.





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    Re: Whatís wrong with our Defense??

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrubbs View Post
    I think it's really simple.

    We lost 5 starters in Free Agency (Mosley, Urban, Weddle, Z. Smith, Suggs)

    We lost 4 starters to injury (T. Young, J. Smith, Jefferson, B. Williams)

    And guys we hoped would take the next step in their development clearly did not (Expecting Peanut to be a MIKE, K. Young, Board, T. Williams, Bowser, Averett, Henry)

    It's just too much to overcome. If we can get a stud or two in free agency, have some of our young dart throws actually develop (ie Daylon Mack, Chris Board, DeShon Elliot, Kenny Young, Anthony Averett) and maybe even get early returns on an early 2020 pick I think this turns right around.

    But looking at the turnover and the history of the guys we were hoping could replace them, I think it's very clearly just a talent issue. The scheme is fine, we had the #1 defense last year, we just lost all the horses.
    I agree 100 Shrubbsy. Although I donít think the likes of BWill and TJ really impact us that much.

    I think guys like Board , T Will( gone) and even Bowser are a waste and will be roster fillers or gone next year.

    Thereís no quick fix in my eyes. FA and the Draft have to prioritize IOL AND Defense. Front to back too. To me we need help from the DLine to the back end. The fall off from our starters to the back up is steep!

    Now ignoring FA ( since we donít know whoís gonna be there and for what price ) in the Draft I say build from the inside out. We did the opposite on Offense and itís work ok but still a need at Oline. Defense Iíd go Interior pass rush, Edge Rusher , MLB , edge setting OLB then quality DB.

    I do like Winks scheme. I think ET can have a ďre-birthĒ here on the back end with this scheme.


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