Roman’s play-calling

[edromeo]

Brown down by drive:

Drive 1: 5 runs to 1 pass
Drive 2: 5 runs to 5 pass
..............So if you're argument is that early was run-centric meaning the first drive, then yes that would be correct. But after the first drive it was pretty much balance from there on out.

I'm not sure 1 drive constitutes a 'run-centric' gameplan, but maybe it's a definition problem.

😂

But god forbid you ever admit you're wrong, eh.
You're honestly exhausting to argue with.

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

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This is what i'm trying to clarify.

Is the fact that we had 1 drive with 5 runs to 1 pass that resulted in a touchdown, a run-centric approach?

Or is it more important that the subsequent drives were balanced?

I think it's a low sample to use 1 drive to prove that we had a run-centric approach. If you're whole argument was that 'early on' meant the first drive only, well that's a pretty small box to put your argument in, but that's why I posted the quarter numbers you never responded to.

[NjRavensFan]

Ed wtf are you talking about? I've only paid attention the last few pages but it seems like GWNR is laying out numbers and you're just ignoring them to come back with ad hominems which is... a weird approach man.

I'm not really sure where the debate came from but it seemed very clear from watching that the gameplan wasn't particularly run-centric or pass-centric. It seemed very well-balanced to me. Certainly more runs from Lamar than what we were used to, but fewer from the RBs.

[JimZipCode]

Good Gawd you guys. I step away for a few hours, and WTF?!?

[Laxdad24]

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[edromeo]

Cool your jets or we'll shut this discussion down.

My apologies, will do.

[edromeo]

Probly the last two games. Pitt and Cincy.

The two before that, KC & Cleve, were more pass-happy.

I like it too; but (as you well know) it's hard to untangle cause from effect. Did we pass more because we fell behind? Or did the games get away from us because we passed more? Maybe a little of both, I don't know.

Yeah it gets tricky. But, early in games when a team is still working off their opening script (e.g. "the first 15" for WCO team) the OC gets to choose their approach independent of gameflow. If Roman wants a run heavy script or a pass heavy script the game plan and game prep during the week will work towards that end. Naturally as the game progresses playcallers have to call the game based much more on the flow of the game.

Starting off the game with 5 runs and 1 pass in the opening drive sets the tone what's that 80% run?
The next drive was 5(R) and 5(P) making the total for the "1st 16" plays: 10 runs and 6 passes in the opening script for 63% run?

i like that

[JimZipCode]

"1st 16" plays: 10 runs and 6 passes in the opening script for 63% run?

i like that

Are you sure? Maybe some of those were spikes and scrambles.

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

Are you sure? Maybe some of those were spikes and scrambles.

First scramble wasn’t till drive 6 when Lamar tried to get OB before the end of the second Q.

So no those are accurate. I do find it concerning that tracking play calling accurately is a joke but hey you guys do your own thing.

[JimZipCode]

First scramble wasn’t till drive 6 when Lamar tried to get OB before the end of the second Q.

That's what I have too, in my list of his runs. Q2, about the 9 sec mark?

So no those are accurate. I do find it concerning that tracking play calling accurately is a joke but hey you guys do your own thing.

I was just trying to smooth things over.

And failing, evidently. Sorry.

[organizedchaos21]

Full breakdown of the offense so far.

type	Snaps	Gain	YPP	Success	SuccessRate	TD	Completions
pass	200	1562	7.81	104	52%	12	133
sack	16	-88	-5.50	0	0%	0	-
scramble	18	169	9.39	14	78%	1	-
spike	1	0	0.00	0	0%	0	-
run	195	1009	5.17	112	57%	8	-
kneel	8	-8	-1.00	0	0%	0	-
fumbledSnap	1	0	0.00	0	0%	0	-
2PT	4	-	-	-	-%	-	-
penalty	21	-	-	-	-%	-	-
preSnap	6	-	-	-	-%	-	-
Total	470	2644	5.97	230	52%	21	133

One of the things I'm trying very hard to keep track of is snap counts. It's been a fun exercise. The NFL releases one number in its Game Book on Sunday, then updates and switches to a different number later in the week (they remove pre-snap penalties). Depending on where you go to find snap count info, you'll find different answers. I'll use Matt Skura to demonstrate because he's played every snap.

He's been on the field in 470 offensive alignments. If you go to football outsiders, that's what you'll find. That number includes 6 pre-snap penalties though, so if you go to PFR, you get 464. Included in those 464 are 21 snaps that were nullified due to penalty and 4 two point attempts (are you having fun yet?).

Taking away those 25 snaps gets us to 439 plays, which is one off from PFR's total. Looking at that table, we also see that our 2644 yards also disagrees with PFR (they have 2704 yards). And now we can think back to week 1 and remember Anthony Levine valiantly taking a fake punt 60 yards, and we have complete agreement (that's not an offensive snap, so I'm not including it in my numbers).

We can do a few more checks. Lamar is 127/195 on the year, and RG3 is 6/6, which matches our 133/201 (remember to add the spike to the pass row). They've combined for 1562 yards and 12 TDs. Lamar has been sacked 16 times, losing 88 yards.

PFR has the Ravens with 1230 yards and 9 TDs on 223 carries. If we combine run, scramble, kneel, and fumbledSnap, we get to 1170 yards and 9 TDs on 222 carries (again, Levine's carry is not in our numbers).

Finally, we can confirm the number of scrambles by checking PFR's advanced rushing table for Lamar. You'll note that they have 19 scrambles, likely because they have kept the 19-yard carry at (Q3, 00:56) against the Cardinals as a scramble (The Coordinators decided it was a called QB draw).

So, it looks like to me that everything that we can compare to a real source matches up. Success is defined as I historically have (Sharp's definition, not using EPA yet). The Ravens best play on the year has been to have Lamar scramble which he does on just over 7.5% of dropbacks. He gets sacked on a similar percentage of dropbacks. Passes have gained more yards than rushes, but they've been less Successful. Just more evidence to run the ball more.

[JimZipCode]

Catching up – this is updated thru the Bills (game #13):

Game	Passes	Sacked	Runs	TotalPlays	Pass%	Run%	–	QB Runs	(Kneel)
1	26	1	46	73	37.0%	63.0%		7	2
2	37	2	33	72	54.2%	45.8%		16	2
3	43	3	32	78	59.0%	41.0%		8	0
4	34	4	29	67	56.7%	43.3%		9	1
5	28	5	40	73	45.2%	54.8%		14	0
6	33	1	43	77	44.2%	55.8%		19	3
7	20	1	35	56	37.5%	62.5%		14	0
8	23	1	41	65	36.9%	63.1%		16	0
9	22	1	23	46	50.0%	50.0%		7	0
10	27	0	37	64	42.2%	57.8%		11	1
11	23	3	48	74	35.1%	64.9%		11	3
12	23	1	38	62	38.7%	61.3%		16	0
13	25	1	33	59	44.1%	55.9%		11	2
–	–	–	–	–	–	–	–	–	–
Total	364	24	478	866	44.8%	55.2%		159	14
	42.0%	2.8%	55.2%				avg:	11.2	(excl)