Prove to me that God doesn't exist

**Culex** · 08-27-2019, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Well yeah ....I’m LA you can see the air. Lol.

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If you're referring to smog, I guess that's what happens when something that you can't regularly see becomes polluted... can't pollute God though 🤟

**Laxdad24** · 08-28-2019, 03:09 AM

But you also can’t see him/her either. No one has. It’s a leap of faith. Blind faith. Now that’s a damn good band but not a way I wanna lead my life. I just think religion is used to scare people and control them.

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**wickedsolo** · 08-28-2019, 06:49 AM

Does a room in your house cease to exist when you’re not in that room?

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**NCRAVEN** · 08-28-2019, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Well yeah ....I’m LA you can see the air. Lol.

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That’s hilarious

**wickedsolo** · 08-28-2019, 06:50 AM

Do extra terrestrials exist?

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**NCRAVEN** · 08-28-2019, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

But you also can’t see him/her either. No one has. It’s a leap of faith. Blind faith. Now that’s a damn good band but not a way I wanna lead my life. I just think religion is used to scare people and control them.

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That objection was addressed 2,000 years ago

**wickedsolo** · 08-28-2019, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

But you also can’t see him/her either. No one has. It’s a leap of faith. Blind faith. Now that’s a damn good band but not a way I wanna lead my life. I just think religion is used to scare people and control them.

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Food for thought, but can’t both things be true?

Isn’t it possible for God (whatever you’d like to call it) to exist and for humans to bastardize it into something used for power and control?

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**NCRAVEN** · 08-28-2019, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Culex

Then theres this:

Proverbs 1:5-7 Let the wise listen to these proverbs and become even wiser. Let those with understanding receive guidance by exploring the meaning in these proverbs and parables, the words of the wise and their riddles. Fear of the LORD is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

Yup. I will add though for those reading this, that the word "fear" is best translated to mean "awe and wonder" not to be afraid.

**NCRAVEN** · 08-28-2019, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by usmccharles

That was my point. Playin devils advocate

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Well… if the devil exist

I'll list out what I find to be the most compelling for and against the existence of God.

For:
Kalam Argument - Whatever begins to exist has a cause, the universe began to exist, therefore it has a cause
Design Argument - The universe is/seems designed for life, specifically on this planet.
Argument from Contingency - Things either exist out of a necessity of their own nature (numbers) or are contingent on something else making them. The universe is contingent on something else
Ontological Argument - If in every possible universe God exist, than it means he must exist.
Moral Argument - Since there is a moral standard (law) there has to be a moral law giver.
Argument from Desire - We desire sex - sex exist. We have hunger - food exist. We have thirst - water exist. We want to know/understand God - God exist
Consciousness argument - proves that immaterial entities exist

Against:
How could a good God allow evil and suffering

**cjandrze** · 08-28-2019, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

My question is this ...how many people do you KNoW who’ve seen / Been to Heaven or Hell? Don’t quote me some words from a book written my man. I want real deal “ I’ve been there seen that got the tee shirt to prove it. “.

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My dad died for 8 minutes on an operating table after a motorcycle accident.

He has "memories" of a roller coaster type ride into the light and heard the words "Its not your time" then woke up.

Closest Ive ever heard. He is a believer in a higher power, but not quite the Christian God.

**Laxdad24** · 08-28-2019, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by cjandrze

My dad died for 8 minutes on an operating table after a motorcycle accident.

He has "memories" of a roller coaster type ride into the light and heard the words "Its not your time" then woke up.

Closest Ive ever heard. He is a believer in a higher power, but not quite the Christian God.

Now that’s close. That’s what I’m talking about. Maybe someone who was in a coma?

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**cjandrze** · 08-28-2019, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Now that’s close. That’s what I’m talking about. Maybe someone who was in a coma?

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Also, my dad is no saint. Not a bad guy, but I'm sure he's stolen and coveted in his past, lol.

If there is a heaven, and he can get in, you're a shoe-in bro!