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  1. #1

    OT: Nashville Orioles?

    https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/na...dlM9QRUM4R4YV4

    Posted on another site. Again, too much smoke around this for us to brush this off as nonsense.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    If they really think moving a team that sucks this bad without fixing that level of suckitude is going to magically fix attendance for more than about a week, they are idiots. Put a consistently competitive team on the field in Baltimore and you might see the place fill back up.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    Baltimore has a lot of problems as a major sports city.

    -- We do not have many major local corporations to snap up luxury boxes and club seats;
    -- Area population is decreasing rapidly;
    -- Baltimore is the most hemmed-in sports market in the country, with DC an hour south, Philly an hour and a half north, Pittsburgh 5 hours west, and the Atlantic Ocean to the east.

    Combine that with having split the market with DC, the rising issues with downtown Baltimore, and the increasing indifference of sports fans generally and Baltimore fans in particular, and there is a real problem that winning is not going to magically fix.

    Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2012, and in 2013 there were, for the first time, face value tickets available on game day for a game with the Browns that had playoff implications. Football attendance has been dropping ever since, even though the team has had only one losing season in that time.

    This city might not be able to support two sports teams anymore. For that matter, we might not be able to support one before too long.
    "Not bad for a running back."





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    Nashville has a lot of it's own issues. When the draft was held there they were they were pushing all sorts of hunger relief charities saying that Nashville had the largest percentage of people on food stamps of any NFL city. They also have one of the highest crime rates in the country. Why would someone move from Baltimore to a city which has many of the same problems as Baltimore? It's not like they are looking to build a publicly funded stadium there either.

    I could buy this a little more if it was Las Vegas or San Antonio but Nashville sounds like an author just trying to come up with a spot because Angelos has a house there.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Baltimore has a lot of problems as a major sports city.

    -- We do not have many major local corporations to snap up luxury boxes and club seats;
    -- Area population is decreasing rapidly;
    -- Baltimore is the most hemmed-in sports market in the country, with DC an hour south, Philly an hour and a half north, Pittsburgh 5 hours west, and the Atlantic Ocean to the east.

    Combine that with having split the market with DC, the rising issues with downtown Baltimore, and the increasing indifference of sports fans generally and Baltimore fans in particular, and there is a real problem that winning is not going to magically fix.

    Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2012, and in 2013 there were, for the first time, face value tickets available on game day for a game with the Browns that had playoff implications. Football attendance has been dropping ever since, even though the team has had only one losing season in that time.

    This city might not be able to support two sports teams anymore. For that matter, we might not be able to support one before too long.
    To be fair, it's just so more convenient to stay home and watch the games. Admittedly, that what I do. I have never been to either stadium nor do I plan to go. I stay home an watch the Ravens games and then turn off the TV afterwards. I rarely watch Orioles games but not because they stink (I actually like that they finally have a plan). There's too many baseball games. 162 games are way too many. They need to reduce that number to around 120 games and make the games more of an event.

    Also make the stadiums smaller in terms of seating.

    I also do not think the crime is an issue. The stadiums are not in Edmondson Village, Walbrook, SW inner city Baltimore, or East Baltimore around John Hopkins: the gang/drug infested areas.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Baltimore has a lot of problems as a major sports city.

    -- We do not have many major local corporations to snap up luxury boxes and club seats;
    -- Area population is decreasing rapidly;
    -- Baltimore is the most hemmed-in sports market in the country, with DC an hour south, Philly an hour and a half north, Pittsburgh 5 hours west, and the Atlantic Ocean to the east.

    Combine that with having split the market with DC, the rising issues with downtown Baltimore, and the increasing indifference of sports fans generally and Baltimore fans in particular, and there is a real problem that winning is not going to magically fix.

    Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2012, and in 2013 there were, for the first time, face value tickets available on game day for a game with the Browns that had playoff implications. Football attendance has been dropping ever since, even though the team has had only one losing season in that time.

    This city might not be able to support two sports teams anymore. For that matter, we might not be able to support one before too long.
    The luxury box angle, you need to post some data on that. That seems to be annecdotal at best, and possible just untrue.


    Same goes for area population. The reality is Baltimore City has been around 630,000 to 650,000 consistently over the next couple decades. Population is steady, it just well below the 1.1 million it supported during its hey day. But Baltimore is actually a model on how to deal with blight and attempt to recovery post-industrial era. Think not? Check out how Detroit and some other post-industrial cities are doing.


    I agree with the idea of a hemmed in sports market - but the reality is the major leagues are all about TV revenue now anyway. Then its merch and other things. But the Ravens are the 29th most valuable sports franchise in the world https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#47cc6906283d being hemmed in doesn't hurt it at all. I imagine the Orioles would be the same way if they were winners, or if MLB had a better revenue sharing model / CBA.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    It's also too freaking expensive for the "average Joe" to go to a game anymore. I went last week for the first time in almost 10 years and for nice seats down at field level, it was almost $250 for 3 of us. Granted, I could have bought 3 in the upper deck for $100 maybe, but that's still pricey to go more than maybe one or two games in a season. And that doesn't include any food, drinks, or anything else. I remember the days when blue collar guys could actually afford to go to more than one game a year. Those true diehard fans just can't foot the bill anymore and haven't for a long time.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    I understand that for some, itís not financially suited to go to multiple games a year.

    But for those that say they wonít ever go because they like to watch the games on TV....

    Go to a game. You make memories at games that you will never make sitting at home in a living room.

    That and tailgating is just a great time in general. I sometimes just go and tailgate and then hit up the bars for the game. Itís 100x more of an experience than sitting at home.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    Hasn't Bisciotti said that he himself would want to buy the Orioles?

    ...or was that just a wonderful dream I had?





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    The luxury box angle, you need to post some data on that. That seems to be annecdotal at best, and possible just untrue.


    Same goes for area population. The reality is Baltimore City has been around 630,000 to 650,000 consistently over the next couple decades. Population is steady, it just well below the 1.1 million it supported during its hey day. But Baltimore is actually a model on how to deal with blight and attempt to recovery post-industrial era. Think not? Check out how Detroit and some other post-industrial cities are doing.


    I agree with the idea of a hemmed in sports market - but the reality is the major leagues are all about TV revenue now anyway. Then its merch and other things. But the Ravens are the 29th most valuable sports franchise in the world https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#47cc6906283d being hemmed in doesn't hurt it at all. I imagine the Orioles would be the same way if they were winners, or if MLB had a better revenue sharing model / CBA.
    I don't know about luxury box numbers, but I do know that this city really suffers from lack of Fortune companies. We don't have a single Fortune 500 company in our metro area, and only 4 Fortune 1000 companies. This is not a business friendly city (or state for that matter, but the we benefit like no other state when it comes to Federal Defense contracting).
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    If the Orioles legitimately compete (regularly) in the AL East, fans will show up.





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    Re: OT: Nashville Orioles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I don't know about luxury box numbers, but I do know that this city really suffers from lack of Fortune companies. We don't have a single Fortune 500 company in our metro area, and only 4 Fortune 1000 companies. This is not a business friendly city (or state for that matter, but the we benefit like no other state when it comes to Federal Defense contracting).
    The company I work for is not Fortune 500 or 1000 and we have a box at the Verizon center (or whatever its called) for the Wizards and Caps.

    We dont necessarily need big name companies that everyone has heard of. There are lots of companies in the area that can afford a box.

    Same with the expensive luxury condos and such being built in and around downtown. The money is coming from somewhere.





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