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Thread: Recent Mass Shootings
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08-05-2019, 04:19 PM #37Hall Of Fame Poster
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08-05-2019, 04:21 PM #39
Re: Recent Mass Shootings
Ya know it is possible to have a "traditional" home life w/a married mom and dad and still have absentee parents who don't give a shit.
I'd be interested to see information on what those kids' lives are like outside of the home. Those types of kids probably have a THRIVING social circle of other kids doing the same shit. They are probably satisfied w/their life in some capacity.
The kids shooting up schools and public places probably don't have a thriving social circle at all and they're left alone most of the time while drinking cheap vodka and listening to the Cure. I'd bet they aren't satisfied with their life at all.
Based on your prior posts about "church" and "religion"...I think you have a very misconstrued interpretation on what church is and it oddly seems to go back to catholicism for some reason.
A "church" by definition is a place of worship. A "church" community is one that teaches reverence, morality, respect, love, structure, and faith. Kids that grow up in this type of environment are better suited to become a "contributing member of society" once they become adults. THAT is the point about the church I was making.
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08-05-2019, 04:27 PM #40
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But that is a cultural problem. It is luckily a culture quickly on the decline in suburban areas right now because it is insane. In my neighborhood, if I saw a kid doing something wrong (like pretty bad) I could grab them by the arm and take them right to their parents door and tell the parent. You know what the parent would do? They'd grab them by the other arm, bring them inside and spank the crap out of them. Why? Because it is effective and because it is FAR more likely your kid is a lying little a-hole than it is that a busy adult took time out of his day to yell at a kid for no reason.
We still have those parents in our neighborhood though, where their kids will throw rocks at your car, and the parents will be like, "Now Billy... did you do this?" The kid says no (because kids are all liars), and the parents are like, "Can you prove my little angel did this?" Every one of their kids are the little psychopaths in our neighborhood. There is one kid so bad that everyone in the neighborhood is trying to get them to move because he WILL be a mass shooter, and it is 100% the fault of the parents. Our buddy caught the kid throwing rocks at his dogs in the back yard, and went over and told the parents. The wife threatened to fight him for EVER saying something bad about her kid! Now, flash forward 3 years... the kid is a total sociopath. Everyone is afraid of him because it is a matter of time before he does something REALLY f'd up. You can see it in his eyes and the way he talks to adults.
So is there legislation that can fix crappy parents who have this idea that their kid is somehow infallible?
I agree with some of your points that these shooters are not all from broken homes, but a HUGE majority of them are on some form of emotional-altering drugs for deppression, anxiety, ADHD, or whatever."Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else." -Margaret Mead
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08-05-2019, 04:54 PM #42
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08-05-2019, 05:16 PM #43Regular 1st Stringer
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Maybe it´s different over there, but no, I only refer to the "famous" ones (feels like a horrible choice of a word in this instance, but yeah..), I never thought of the stats or those high numbers youre mentioning. I mean these lone gunman in a school or synagogue or a bar etc only.
See these links for explanations of why this survey is so misleading:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/un...ath-shootings/
This guy hasn´t even gone into and checked the actual mass shootings either, so these family feuds etc I mentioned are still there.
https://econjwatch.org/File+download...f?mimetype=pdf
This is the response to Lott´s stats (which are the ones usually flown around to make the claim that US is no worse off then comparable countries).
Yes, we have much stricter laws for firearms, and no, our shooting stats doesn´t even get on the same planet as the US. Sweden actually have by far the worst of any western european country the last few years (gang related to almost 100%), 3-4 times higher than other comparable european countries, but yet nowhere near US no matter how you look at the stats.
US has like what, about 30 000 deaths by firearm per year? Of which 10 000-12000 are homicides? The whole EU has about 6500 of which about 1000 are homicides. With a larger population than the US. Now, I´m not out to bash the US, but you have a serious problem that isn´t the same in other countries comparable to you.
They´re not that much worse tbh. At all. Take away the Norway and the Paris attacks (the lattaer which I don´t think should be counted into this anyway) and you´d be hard pressed to find any with a victim rate that is even comparable to many of those in the US.
I don´t know what you´re refering to about Belgium? I have no memory of a recent mass shooting there at all?
So I have to disagree with your conclusion that it gets much worse here. In fact, I´m pretty sure that the Paris attacks, if carried out in the US, would be the same. 7 well prepared and heavily armed military trained fanatic terrorists? With the risk of sounding horrible, but if these lone outsider boys in some instances kill as many as they do, those terrorists probably would too. And take out that one and we barely have any mass shootings with 10+ fatalities. So I´m not buying that more guns would help, no.
But I´m also very interested in what causes this. Clearly, as you (and others that might read this..) might suspect, I´m pointing to the availibility of firearms. But even I don´t think it can be solely that. So what is it? I hear church and God, but then we´d be homicidial maniacs here in europe, especially in Scandinavia, considering how secularised we are and have been for a long time.
We have the same family structures as you, roughly the same or similar in most aspects, considering these individuals are rarely coming from extreme poverty but rather the middle class.
I know that when there were a couple of school shootings in Finland, they sort of "idolized" first the Columbine killers, then the copy cat the first shooter. That seems it was the case over there a bit too like 10-15 years ago, but I don´t hear that now really?
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08-05-2019, 05:40 PM #44
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Says any Muslim. Not so? To hell you say.
Let’s be real for a moment. Most ( I’d say close to 50% ) of White Americans are Catholic if they practice an organized religion. The other 50% is some other form of Christianity ( Baptist, Methodist, Prodasant, Mormon , what have you ). Ok maybe not the whole last 50% there are Jehovah’s and a few others mixed in. Now I might not be 100% but it’s close.
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08-05-2019, 05:41 PM #45
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Re: Recent Mass Shootings
No, I'm not suggesting that you should be on a "red flag" list. However, if one of your kids uses your accessible weapon to commit a crime (which I sincerely hope that never happens), then I think the state should be able to go after you as well for improper storage. Like you said earlier in this thread regarding empowering schools because a lot of parents can't always "see" it when their kids are shitheads. It's hard for a parent to look at their kids and think they could do something so terrible, but you know what? It happens. Better to be safe about it and lock your firearms up in a manner that your kids cannot access them without your supervision.
I think there are a lot of gun owners out there that would be more conscientious about how their weapons are stored/secured if they knew the state could prosecute them if one of their weapons is used in a crime.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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08-05-2019, 06:09 PM #47
Re: Recent Mass Shootings
"A moron, a rapist, and a Pittsburgh Steeler walk into a bar. He sits down and says, “Hi I’m Ben may I have a drink please?”
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08-05-2019, 06:53 PM #48
Re: Recent Mass Shootings
You are right. According to the FBI, 4 or more people killed in a single event is considered a “mass shooting.”
The media decides which ones matter. The ones in the inner cities clearly don’t. I wonder why? Point of reference...59 people were shot in Chicago this past weekend.
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