The Trump phenomenon seen from overseas.

[bossofataka]

So I think this illustrates the mind set of why you especially hate trump and don’t understand why people would support his positions. You think that because the us is ahead of Other countries then they need to get the short end of all deals. To be fair, there are a good number of people in the states that think that as well, mostly liberals. Trump doesn’t play that game. He’s not going to take a bad deal because of some past perceived slight or problem in unfairness.

Eh, no...? I just explained, you DON`t get the short end of the deal any more than any other western country. It´s not a "deal", economic models don´t always apply to nature and in this case climate..
Besides, how much you contribute is largely voluntary anyway.

Percieved slight or problem? I mean, what? Seriously? Is it pure selfishness that you actually promote here? It doesn´t matter if the US actually caused a lot of these problems if you can get someone else to pay for them, it´s still a good deal and you take it, is that what you´re really saying.

No, my problem with Trump I already stated numerous times. Many of his policies, especially in this case, are not much different from other conservatives in the past. I disliked their policies too, but usually they didn´t go "grab them by the pussy", insult and mock handicapped, name calling people because of appearances, bully, smite etc etc. That IS my main problem with the oaf.

[bossofataka]

Yeah... I did read this... let's go through your "sources" real quick:

This is an op-ed by "Shadow Government". Cites absolutely zero evidence other than just telling you what they think are the numbers.


This is literally a site designed by what appears to be a 5 year old German kid.


Citing Wikipedia for an 8th grade social studies report is fine... but you cited it also from the Green Climate Fund... a group that gets funded by creating Global Warming scares.


Did you read this? It cites that we had a 3% uptick in 2018, but that we would likely see another reduction in 2019, which we are on pace for, even as our energy sector has grown faster than it has in 30 years. So it sort of proves my whole point that we are producing MORE energy and reducing emissions... but... A for effort on this one... this was BY FAR your closest attempt.


This is your first article with actual cited sources... and when you look at those sources, and do math... it shows that the US since 1990 has reduced emissions by 12% (Sweden has only reduced by 10%... shame), meanwhile, China, who is making ALL SORTS of promises, has increased by 312%... here is the link to their sources: http://mdgs.un.org/unsd/mdg/SeriesDetail.aspx?srid=751



Thank you for posting an article by economics.help... which is a dummy site for economics hahaha... thank you for showing everyone how serious you are...

Are you gonna keep this mocking tone or are you interrested in discussing this for real?

[NCRAVEN]

No, I don´t need to read his books to know that he is not a marxist. He may be a social democrat by european standards, he is not a socialist or a marxist ny anyones standards, no matter what right wing media in the states say. You´re not going to find ONE actual socialist or marxist that thinks that.

Not that a little more socialism, as in the western european form, would do the US good. And us too, we´re moving away a little from that.

THe right wing media doesn't say it, his books, written by him do. And if you're not going to read them don't tell us what they say.

Geez dude.

[DitkasSausage]

Are you gonna keep this mocking tone or are you interrested in discussing this for real?

Listen... you desperately want to be taken seriously, but then you cite wikipedia and some websites that look like you made them on the fly in person... its difficult to not imagine you being a 14 year old on a website trying to troll people...
You criticized my sources... Forbes is almost universally used by everyone, and is one source that usually both the left and right can agree on... one of which was the World Bank, who provides data to the people who drafted the Paris Accord. I actually used one of YOUR OWN sources to prove my point again (that the US has decreasing CO2 emissions while increasing energy production). I used the data chart to show you the math... it was your own articles cited data! Your only argument has been... "Well not those sources!" What do you want man? You aren't going to educate yourself on this. You clearly have no clue what my profession is or you'd be embarrassed right now... the fact you aren't embarrassed is insulting to me in and of itself quite frankly. I'd appreciate a simple apology honestly....

[blah3]

Eh, no...? I just explained, you DON`t get the short end of the deal any more than any other western country. It´s not a "deal", economic models don´t always apply to nature and in this case climate..
Besides, how much you contribute is largely voluntary anyway.

Percieved slight or problem? I mean, what? Seriously? Is it pure selfishness that you actually promote here? It doesn´t matter if the US actually caused a lot of these problems if you can get someone else to pay for them, it´s still a good deal and you take it, is that what you´re really saying.

No, my problem with Trump I already stated numerous times. Many of his policies, especially in this case, are not much different from other conservatives in the past. I disliked their policies too, but usually they didn´t go "grab them by the pussy", insult and mock handicapped, name calling people because of appearances, bully, smite etc etc. That IS my main problem with the oaf.

Yes America first. I don’t see why that is problematic. Just as you should be Sweden first and brits should be England first.
But seriously, applying a much bigger reduction to the us who does it cleaner, and basically have no standards for China and India who do it comparatively dirtier is a bad deal for the us. But what is don’t really understand is why you care, since it was basically voluntary and there weren’t really any enforcement mechanisms in place. No one is stopping you from riding a bike or taking public transit or putting up solar panels.
Of course I don’t buy into the whole man made global crisis and think in the us the movement as become home for socialists.
I also don’t buy for a second that if a gentleman president put in the same policies trump has that you wouldn’t be nearly as put out.

[DitkasSausage]

Yes America first. I don’t see why that is problematic. Just as you should be Sweden first and brits should be England first.
But seriously, applying a much bigger reduction to the us who does it cleaner, and basically have no standards for China and India who do it comparatively dirtier is a bad deal for the us. But what is don’t really understand is why you care, since it was basically voluntary and there weren’t really any enforcement mechanisms in place. No one is stopping you from riding a bike or taking public transit or putting up solar panels.
Of course I don’t buy into the whole man made global crisis and think in the us the movement as become home for socialists.
I also don’t buy for a second that if a gentleman president put in the same policies trump has that you wouldn’t be nearly as put out.

Boss thinks he knows why they are all so upset, because he is told that is why. The truth is, Blah, you are correct... it is a Globalist/Socialist cash grab. It is a redistribution of the US wealth to others and the medium will be un-elected bureaucrats in charge of pilfering (ahem... I mean distributing) the money. It is all done under the auspices of a "global threat" that is blamed entirely on the US.

Truth is... if it was such a great deal, then why doesn't it work without us? Why not show us how wonderful it works and then maybe we will join? It is the same reason we should pull out of NATO and the UN... because they don't function almost at all without our money. What value is this to us when we are paying the bills for something that is ineffective yet screams and cries at us and blames us all the time? If we pulled out of the UN, we'd hear that it was our fault it collapsed... think about that for a second... that doesn't make sense. If the UNs goal is unification and general peacekeeping, and we are off to the side just not causing problems... why does it matter?

Margaret Thatcher once said that "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." I think it is time to show the world how useless it's programs are by showing them what happens when they run out of our money....

[DitkasSausage]

Eh, no...? I just explained, you DON`t get the short end of the deal any more than any other western country. It´s not a "deal", economic models don´t always apply to nature and in this case climate..
Besides, how much you contribute is largely voluntary anyway.

Percieved slight or problem? I mean, what? Seriously? Is it pure selfishness that you actually promote here? It doesn´t matter if the US actually caused a lot of these problems if you can get someone else to pay for them, it´s still a good deal and you take it, is that what you´re really saying.

No, my problem with Trump I already stated numerous times. Many of his policies, especially in this case, are not much different from other conservatives in the past. I disliked their policies too, but usually they didn´t go "grab them by the pussy", insult and mock handicapped, name calling people because of appearances, bully, smite etc etc. That IS my main problem with the oaf.

HAHA! That was hilarious when he made fun of that handicapped reporter... i almost forgot about that!!! lol!
Also, his actualy quote was, "They will LET you grab them by the pussy". It implies consent

[bossofataka]

THe right wing media doesn't say it, his books, written by him do. And if you're not going to read them don't tell us what they say.

Geez dude.

Oh? I´ve heard him say many times he´s no socialist, and marxist is even more extreme. And I´ve only ever seen these claims in right wing american media, nowhere else. And the fact remains, you will not find ONE socialist or marxist that sees him as their compadre.

[ravenmaniac4life]

Remember when Trump got Palm Beach's country clubs to desegregate?

This isn't really something the Left/MSM likes to bring up, do they?

https://truthfeed.com/trump-insisted...s-didnt/10528/

At the time in 1997, then-Anti-Defamation League President Abraham Foxman praised Trump for elevating the issue of discrimination at private clubs, telling the Wall Street Journal, “He put the light on Palm Beach. Not on the beauty and the glitter, but on its seamier side of discrimination. It has an impact.” Foxman credited Trump’s move with encouraging other clubs in Palm Beach to do the same as Mar-a-Lago in opening up.

That’s the real Donald Trump. The one who dealt with a real problem to do with discrimination on race and religion in Palm Beach long before he was ever seeking public office by confronting a local planning board over its exclusive policies, determined he would do things differently.

The man really does suck at this racism thing.

[bossofataka]

Listen... you desperately want to be taken seriously, but then you cite wikipedia and some websites that look like you made them on the fly in person... its difficult to not imagine you being a 14 year old on a website trying to troll people...
You criticized my sources... Forbes is almost universally used by everyone, and is one source that usually both the left and right can agree on... one of which was the World Bank, who provides data to the people who drafted the Paris Accord. I actually used one of YOUR OWN sources to prove my point again (that the US has decreasing CO2 emissions while increasing energy production). I used the data chart to show you the math... it was your own articles cited data! Your only argument has been... "Well not those sources!" What do you want man? You aren't going to educate yourself on this. You clearly have no clue what my profession is or you'd be embarrassed right now... the fact you aren't embarrassed is insulting to me in and of itself quite frankly. I'd appreciate a simple apology honestly....

Well, problem here is I get frustrated not being able to express myself the way I want, I had to look for sources since I read most things in swedish for obvious reasons. And I also spent loads of time on the first response that disappeared when the fire wall set in, got mad and made a lousy job I guess on the second one. Think it was one of the links I had. Anyway...

Yes, Forbes. This was an independent columnist, oil and gas worker, that sometimes writes pieces in Forbes, trying to split hairs to try and give Trump right when he was wrong. Trying to compare apples with pears and twist stats to make it look like TRump wqas still sort of right you know. And that is teh first thing you send, and you blame me for my sources? That wikipedia list of spending in teh Green Fund is way better actually...

And you stated that the US would be obliged to pay 85% of all costs according to that Paris Agreement, yes? That what was got me going in the first place, because it is not true! And you must know this? It´s propaganda, if it´s even that? Can you find that figure anywhere?

And US is not unique in decreasing co2 while increasing energy production! The whole western world has done so! You stated that the US had decreased more then Sweden since 1990, which isn´t true either, not that it really matters. Sweden has decreased its emissions by 26% since 1990. The link will be in swedish, but you´ll still get the numbers. And still, you constantly avoid this, the US per capita is the highest of any western country. 2/3 higher then Sedens for example. So decreasing from that level tou ours is also far easier then for us to go to zero.

And none of your decrease is because of Trump! It´s because of the likes of Obama! You did increase your co2 emissions last year, due in part to his crazy medieval idea about coal. Totally contradictory to what you initially said. Thankfully not even the industry themselves believe in it so it might not be that bad in the end. I´m GLAD the US has decreased it´s emissions! I´m not denying they have at all! But it´s not guys like Trump that can take glory for it. Thankfully, again, car industries etc now work on global scale and will still continue to cut and go green. Big states like Californa will still continue their work. If they were a country of their own they´d probably be top of all charts of cutting emissions etc.

You´re a libertarian, you´re extremely self confident, even when you´re wrong, you despise "leftists". You´re an economist in some for most likely? Pretty well educated from a well renowned school and quite succesful in your field?

EDIT: Sorry, that link...

http://www.naturvardsverket.se/Sa-ma...pp-och-upptag/

Also, this one is why I "defend" China and India, not that I want them to keep emissions going up, but you know..

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envir...hina-emissions

[NCRAVEN]

Oh? I´ve heard him say many times he´s no socialist, and marxist is even more extreme. And I´ve only ever seen these claims in right wing american media, nowhere else. And the fact remains, you will not find ONE socialist or marxist that sees him as their compadre.

Mmmm hmmmm. And you take Obama at his word?

Research it yourself. Read his books, look at his history of radical relationships with communist, domestic terrorist, marxist, communist whatever. But don't argue against something when you're just taking his word for it.

[bossofataka]

Mmmm hmmmm. And you take Obama at his word?

Research it yourself. Read his books, look at his history of radical relationships with communist, domestic terrorist, marxist, communist whatever. But don't argue against something when you're just taking his word for it.

If there is one american politician I would trust, it´d probably be him, yeah. I do think he is genuinly a good person. But I don´t have to take his word for it. I have also seen him be president for eight years without any marxist coup, or state taking over every enterprise their is, or implementing Gulag. He set ashore a little, minimal health care system, that even makes our now diminishing swedish one look almighty, that might be a bit marxist of the man perhaps? ;)