The Trump phenomenon seen from overseas.

[NCRAVEN]

Yep. He's a troll, but apparently cathartic.

And something tells me he isn't from Sweden either

[bossofataka]

*So as the top country leading the way in Greenhouse reduction, yet the top GDP country in the world, #1 in energy, and #3 in food, the top two contributors in CO2 emissions, I'd say I was pretty accurate. Meanwhile, India and China (#1 & #3) were held to lower standards while they are seeing massive INCREASES in CO2 emissions. In fact, Russia, was held to no standards at all per the Paris Accord. So the planet has seen a 2% increase, meanwhile, the US and UK are dramatically decreasing their footprint, and the rest of the world is dramatically increasing their output.... so naturally, the Paris Accord wanted to strip a majority of the manufacturing from the country that was #1 in clean energy sources, and actually reducing output while increasing the size and scale of its oil and ag output.

In other words... it was a socialist handout, with no authority, no teeth, and once again, the only countries that would be forced to be in compliance would be the US, and the UK...

FFS, I just spent the last hour writing a reply here, when I try to post it got blocked by some Forum Firewall...?

Well, fine, I´ll do a shorter version then.

First, opinions of a columnist who works in the oil and gas industry is not a reliable source... He also compares apples and pears; how can you compare an enormous country like the US with a small one like the UK in absolute numbers..? Thats like me stating the my hometown here in Sweden is the new murder capitol of the world, because we had a staggering increase in murder of several hundred % last year. From 1 to 4 murders. It´s not a fair comparison.

And I don´t quite understand your other links? They don´t show anything that you stated? If anything, they jsut show that the US still emits way more co2 per person than any other comparable countries (taking out the minimal ones with ridiculous spikes). And the reason you can "brag" (for lack of a better word) is because of the policies in major states like California etc, and the policies of Obama etc. Trump have increased the US co2 emissions for the first time in years, and by the most in decades...

And about China and India etc, they have fair points that the reason we are in trouble are because of the western worlds pollution in the last hundred + years, so we should pay more. And the US are the worst, and the largest of those, and should tehrefore pay most. And you never did, per capita you don´t come even close to western europe.
I take it your references to the UK, you actually mean the EU? Because countries like my own, France, Germany etc, contribute finacially per capita to cutting emissions way more than the US ever has, contribute way more to the Green fund etc. To state that it was, or would be, only the US paying, is as false a statement as there is.
And that you somehow would be world leading in cutting emissions is as far from the truth as there can be too. Your one of the worst, if not the worst, of the western world, and that from an already much higer per capita impact then any other country.
So, in short, you weren´t accurate at all. You were just wrong.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/19...united-states/

https://climateanalytics.org/briefin...-announcement/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Climate_Fund

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46801108

https://cotap.org/per-capita-carbon-...RoCz3QQAvD_BwE

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1...st-per-capita/

[bossofataka]

And something tells me he isn't from Sweden either

I am.

[bossofataka]

The intent of the Paris Climate Accord was positive. Of course it would be great if every first world nation made legitimate steps to cutting back on using fossil fuels.

My issue is that the agreement was basically low-key Marxism. It took money from the wealthiest nations (primarily the US) and distributed it to other nations. When one considers that Obama, at his core, is a global/social Marxist, then the PCA makes a ton of sense as to why he pushed for it.

Ultimately, the US has reduced its carbon footprint fairly substantially in the last year or so without being beholden to European countries. Ironically, a lot of the other countries that were part of the PCA actually increased their carbon footprint during the same time. This really shows that the PCA was an infective, bureaucratic piece of legislation aimed at increasing global Marxism.

Finally, if one really wants to take a hard stand against potential man-mad climate effects, how about we stop pointing the finger at Americans and look at the clusterfuck that is China and India. Talk about pollution and raping the earth of natural resources...

Well, Marxism is a bit extreme to call it, ey...?
Of course it "takes" money from the wealthiest nations, and in absolute numbers of course most from by far the largest in US. That´s how it should be. You should be happy, even with Obamas deal, you get off the hook much cheaper per cpaita then my country, and the rest of western europe, Japan and South Korea does.

And Obama certainly is no marxist... Jesus, he´s a liberal that probably would be on a very moderate liberal or social democratic party over here in Europe. He´s as far from an extremist as one gets, as you probaly can see now when many democrats have taken steps to the left, and most of them are still nothing close to marxists.

Because China and India are decades behind the US and western europe, and still relase far less per person then we do. It´s the western world that has raped, and continue to rape, the earth of natural resources.

[NCRAVEN]

Well, Marxism is a bit extreme to call it, ey...?
Of course it "takes" money from the wealthiest nations, and in absolute numbers of course most from by far the largest in US. That´s how it should be. You should be happy, even with Obamas deal, you get off the hook much cheaper per cpaita then my country, and the rest of western europe, Japan and South Korea does.

And Obama certainly is no marxist... Jesus, he´s a liberal that probably would be on a very moderate liberal or social democratic party over here in Europe. He´s as far from an extremist as one gets, as you probaly can see now when many democrats have taken steps to the left, and most of them are still nothing close to marxists.

Because China and India are decades behind the US and western europe, and still relase far less per person then we do. It´s the western world that has raped, and continue to rape, the earth of natural resources.

If you Obama is a moderate you need to read his books that he wrote.

[DitkasSausage]

Well, Marxism is a bit extreme to call it, ey...?
Of course it "takes" money from the wealthiest nations, and in absolute numbers of course most from by far the largest in US. That´s how it should be. You should be happy, even with Obamas deal, you get off the hook much cheaper per cpaita then my country, and the rest of western europe, Japan and South Korea does.

And Obama certainly is no marxist... Jesus, he´s a liberal that probably would be on a very moderate liberal or social democratic party over here in Europe. He´s as far from an extremist as one gets, as you probaly can see now when many democrats have taken steps to the left, and most of them are still nothing close to marxists.

Because China and India are decades behind the US and western europe, and still relase far less per person then we do. It´s the western world that has raped, and continue to rape, the earth of natural resources.

“Of corse it takes from the richest!”
“You should be happy!”
“You get off the hook cheaper than us!”

That’s not how it should work and thankfully, it’s not how it will work.

Also, the US is behind nearly every middle eastern country in the “per capita” useless stat. Yet the Paris accord treats them as emerging? It actually hands more energy production to the largest abusers? Okay. That a great plan. Also... MAYBE (just maybe) that per capita is a little ridiculous when you think about the fact that China & India have 3-5x more people than the US.
In the two years since we’ve removed ourselves from the Paris Debacle, we’ve lead the world in CO2 reduction, and increased our energy output. Soooo... it appears we’re doing fine without it. Now if only those countries you let repeatedly lie to you would do something... maybe that would help.

You’re not rooted in reality son. China & India could absolutely reign in their CO2, but why should they? The EU is happy to sign useless documents and hand over entire economic sectors to them in order to defeat climate change (which India & China don’t even believe in). They pay you lip service because the EU is stupid and will believe anything they see. If China told you breathing caused climate change, the EU would eradicate half its people after China said, “You first”
I’m sorry pal but it’s a scam. Maybe not climate change itself, but I guarantee the Chinese diplomats wiped their asses with agreement before they even left the building.

[bossofataka]

“Of corse it takes from the richest!”
“You should be happy!”
“You get off the hook cheaper than us!”

That’s not how it should work and thankfully, it’s not how it will work.

Also, the US is behind nearly every middle eastern country in the “per capita” useless stat. Yet the Paris accord treats them as emerging? It actually hands more energy production to the largest abusers? Okay. That a great plan. Also... MAYBE (just maybe) that per capita is a little ridiculous when you think about the fact that China & India have 3-5x more people than the US.
In the two years since we’ve removed ourselves from the Paris Debacle, we’ve lead the world in CO2 reduction, and increased our energy output. Soooo... it appears we’re doing fine without it. Now if only those countries you let repeatedly lie to you would do something... maybe that would help.

You’re not rooted in reality son. China & India could absolutely reign in their CO2, but why should they? The EU is happy to sign useless documents and hand over entire economic sectors to them in order to defeat climate change (which India & China don’t even believe in). They pay you lip service because the EU is stupid and will believe anything they see. If China told you breathing caused climate change, the EU would eradicate half its people after China said, “You first”
I’m sorry pal but it’s a scam. Maybe not climate change itself, but I guarantee the Chinese diplomats wiped their asses with agreement before they even left the building.

How about you address my reply to YOU instead of repeating out your false claims yet one more time in my reply to an other member?

[wickedsolo]

Well, Marxism is a bit extreme to call it, ey...?
Of course it "takes" money from the wealthiest nations, and in absolute numbers of course most from by far the largest in US. That´s how it should be. You should be happy, even with Obamas deal, you get off the hook much cheaper per cpaita then my country, and the rest of western europe, Japan and South Korea does.

And Obama certainly is no marxist... Jesus, he´s a liberal that probably would be on a very moderate liberal or social democratic party over here in Europe. He´s as far from an extremist as one gets, as you probaly can see now when many democrats have taken steps to the left, and most of them are still nothing close to marxists.

Because China and India are decades behind the US and western europe, and still relase far less per person then we do. It´s the western world that has raped, and continue to rape, the earth of natural resources.

You need to read Obama’s books. He’s 100% a social Marxist. This isn’t even debatable.


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[wickedsolo]

“Of corse it takes from the richest!”
“You should be happy!”
“You get off the hook cheaper than us!”

That’s not how it should work and thankfully, it’s not how it will work.

Also, the US is behind nearly every middle eastern country in the “per capita” useless stat. Yet the Paris accord treats them as emerging? It actually hands more energy production to the largest abusers? Okay. That a great plan. Also... MAYBE (just maybe) that per capita is a little ridiculous when you think about the fact that China & India have 3-5x more people than the US.
In the two years since we’ve removed ourselves from the Paris Debacle, we’ve lead the world in CO2 reduction, and increased our energy output. Soooo... it appears we’re doing fine without it. Now if only those countries you let repeatedly lie to you would do something... maybe that would help.

You’re not rooted in reality son. China & India could absolutely reign in their CO2, but why should they? The EU is happy to sign useless documents and hand over entire economic sectors to them in order to defeat climate change (which India & China don’t even believe in). They pay you lip service because the EU is stupid and will believe anything they see. If China told you breathing caused climate change, the EU would eradicate half its people after China said, “You first”
I’m sorry pal but it’s a scam. Maybe not climate change itself, but I guarantee the Chinese diplomats wiped their asses with agreement before they even left the building.

China’s 5-yr Plan (now) includes a lot of climate and pollution-driven initiatives. I see it a lot too with Chinese threats attacking energy and manufacturing companies to steal IP. You know, because it’s easier for them to steal shit from other countries than it is to do it on their own.


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And about China and India etc, they have fair points that the reason we are in trouble are because of the western worlds pollution in the last hundred + years, so we should pay more. And the US are the worst, and the largest of those, and should tehrefore pay most. And you never did, per capita you don´t come even close to western europe.
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So I think this illustrates the mind set of why you especially hate trump and don’t understand why people would support his positions. You think that because the us is ahead of Other countries then they need to get the short end of all deals. To be fair, there are a good number of people in the states that think that as well, mostly liberals. Trump doesn’t play that game. He’s not going to take a bad deal because of some past perceived slight or problem in unfairness.

[DitkasSausage]

FFS, I just spent the last hour writing a reply here, when I try to post it got blocked by some Forum Firewall...?

Well, fine, I´ll do a shorter version then.

First, opinions of a columnist who works in the oil and gas industry is not a reliable source... He also compares apples and pears; how can you compare an enormous country like the US with a small one like the UK in absolute numbers..? Thats like me stating the my hometown here in Sweden is the new murder capitol of the world, because we had a staggering increase in murder of several hundred % last year. From 1 to 4 murders. It´s not a fair comparison.

And I don´t quite understand your other links? They don´t show anything that you stated? If anything, they jsut show that the US still emits way more co2 per person than any other comparable countries (taking out the minimal ones with ridiculous spikes). And the reason you can "brag" (for lack of a better word) is because of the policies in major states like California etc, and the policies of Obama etc. Trump have increased the US co2 emissions for the first time in years, and by the most in decades...

And about China and India etc, they have fair points that the reason we are in trouble are because of the western worlds pollution in the last hundred + years, so we should pay more. And the US are the worst, and the largest of those, and should tehrefore pay most. And you never did, per capita you don´t come even close to western europe.
I take it your references to the UK, you actually mean the EU? Because countries like my own, France, Germany etc, contribute finacially per capita to cutting emissions way more than the US ever has, contribute way more to the Green fund etc. To state that it was, or would be, only the US paying, is as false a statement as there is.
And that you somehow would be world leading in cutting emissions is as far from the truth as there can be too. Your one of the worst, if not the worst, of the western world, and that from an already much higer per capita impact then any other country.
So, in short, you weren´t accurate at all. You were just wrong.

Yeah... I did read this... let's go through your "sources" real quick:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/19...united-states/

This is an op-ed by "Shadow Government". Cites absolutely zero evidence other than just telling you what they think are the numbers.

https://climateanalytics.org/briefin...-announcement/

This is literally a site designed by what appears to be a 5 year old German kid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Climate_Fund

Citing Wikipedia for an 8th grade social studies report is fine... but you cited it also from the Green Climate Fund... a group that gets funded by creating Global Warming scares.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46801108

Did you read this? It cites that we had a 3% uptick in 2018, but that we would likely see another reduction in 2019, which we are on pace for, even as our energy sector has grown faster than it has in 30 years. So it sort of proves my whole point that we are producing MORE energy and reducing emissions... but... A for effort on this one... this was BY FAR your closest attempt.

https://cotap.org/per-capita-carbon-...RoCz3QQAvD_BwE

This is your first article with actual cited sources... and when you look at those sources, and do math... it shows that the US since 1990 has reduced emissions by 12% (Sweden has only reduced by 10%... shame), meanwhile, China, who is making ALL SORTS of promises, has increased by 312%... here is the link to their sources: http://mdgs.un.org/unsd/mdg/SeriesDetail.aspx?srid=751

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1...st-per-capita/

Thank you for posting an article by economics.help... which is a dummy site for economics hahaha... thank you for showing everyone how serious you are...

[bossofataka]

You need to read Obama’s books. He’s 100% a social Marxist. This isn’t even debatable.


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No, I don´t need to read his books to know that he is not a marxist. He may be a social democrat by european standards, he is not a socialist or a marxist ny anyones standards, no matter what right wing media in the states say. You´re not going to find ONE actual socialist or marxist that thinks that.

Not that a little more socialism, as in the western european form, would do the US good. And us too, we´re moving away a little from that.