The Trump phenomenon seen from overseas.

[bossofataka]

I like how he says my comment was false or misleading... when in reality, that is exactly what happened.

Your master supression techniques impresses noone outside of the squad here, I assure you...
No, it was completley false, as you claimed the british parliament did this because they were unwilling to pay, clearly insinuating that in the US he would be cured by your several specialzed hospitals, and clearly insinuating that this was common practice in the UK, and thus in every state controlled health care. Completley wrong, in every aspect.
Now that we atleast have established what field your working in (roughly), perhaps I should be as smug considering these things are in my area of work. But, just like Darb-guy, I have no interest in trying to explain simple junior high facts to a supposedly grown man.

If it wasn't, then why did they put police guards on the hospital to prevent people from helping?

"Helping" as in carrying out their death threats?
Police were placed becasue of this mainly.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-...treet-13372779

If they were not actively prohibiting this, and everyone was on the same page, then why order police to barricade the hospital from all of those people that must have been "mislead" to think their government was doing exactly what you say was false?

Now, first, to carry out this particular master of supression technique, you need to be consistent. You can´t suddenly address me in person and get the effect you desire. Easy mistake to do of course, but just a reminder.

Of course they weren´t on the same page, I think that much is clear... that´s when these rare instances go to court, when doctors and parents disagree. Now, in the US the courts tend to side with the parents to an almost alarming degree about life support for clinically dead etc, against doctors recommendations, whereas in for example the UK, the parents (or other family) wont be taken that much into consideration, only the child.

In short:

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/06/h...aws/index.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40600932

Now, this can be debated infinatley depending on your point of view, but that is not the issue here, but that you my friend tried to use this rare horrible case as something it is not, like a far right propaganda machine, spewing lies and insinuations in order to paint a whole health care system as something it is not.

I stopped engaging Boss a while ago...

No, you do it both in this way here, or in the direct way as in the other thread. I´ve been away for weeks, but as soon as I got back, you replied again. Who do you think youre fooling?

Usually I take a live and let live approach to others views, but it is becoming dangerous. Statists like him are ignorant to the danger they present. They call conservatives and libertarians "nazis" as they promote single state solutions... it is the largest gap of intelligence I've ever seen in my life. Growing up, people like him were just considered imbeciles that nobody took seriously... unfortunately, statists grow and spread like a virus.

Eh, I never called conservatives or libertarians nazis. Ever. In fact, most libertarians I know from over here are every bit as anti-fascist/racist/nazi as me. They´d never dream of defending Trump in any way or form either, that I can assure you. Besides, it is abundantly clear you have no idea what I "propose...

How people grow up thinking that governments can create liberty is a concept completely beyond the pale... it is a solution that has literally lead to more mass killings, incarcerations, and death than any other philosophy. They buy the hype that people left unchecked will create a vacuum of safety... that we will become bandits and rapists. That man is fallible & corrupted, yet government (which is a collection of man) is somehow infallible if they'd "just get it right".

You do know there is like, you know, a middle road between Pol Pot and a Night-watchman state? That anything more left than you might not lead to mass killings..? Maybe..?
The "they" here you´ll have to identify since none of this applies to me.

Here is a question people like Boss cannot answer... What happens, under your system if we elect the wrong leaders? It has happened in the past every single time a government gains too much control... so this shouldn't be hard.

No, it´s not hard at all. We just elect someone else the next time! Or if something really tricky is going on we do it ahead of the next scheduled election. That´s what´s so great about democracy isn´t it? And to have a state that never ever even can give ONE person or ONE party infinite power. In fact, my horrible socialistic monstrosity of a country is even better equipped to ensure that never can happen than yours. Your president still has too much power for a single person.

The truth is that the USA is amazing, and that a severely limited government kept in check and managed by the people is genius because of the fallibility of man.

So is Sweden. Better acutally, with a little bigger government to make sure no one gets left behind.

"everyone is equal" is a myth... a government can only provide equal opportunity, yet they cannot produce equal results because it is unnatural because all men are NOT created equal. Some are taller, some are predispositioned to be heavier, some have skills others can never master. Some are born prodigies. To believe what Boss believes to his bones is to completely detach yourself from reality, and ignore simple truths of the existence of man.

You clearly have mistaken me for someone else, I am not Josef Stalin.
The most common misconception of any far rightist is that anyone left of them on the political scale someohow don´t also agree on this, that we don´t understand these simple facts. We do. We just think that striving for equity and equality is still going to create a better society then one where we just accept these facts and let everyone fend for themselves as best they can. Because we believe that a societys success is measured best in how those worst off are faring, how minorities are faring, thinking this is the best way to avoid the very things that are plaguing your "amazing" society to a degree a japanese or western european people hardly can believe. US is great at many things, but I would never use it as a role model to build a society.

[bossofataka]

European healthcare is shit. If I come up to you and give you a big bag full of shit for free, all you got was free shit.

You win. I cannot contradict such immense argumentation and presentation of facts.

[bossofataka]

Damn dude. You should be charged with murder.

That’s a William Wallace death post.

DitkasSausage is teaching class and we’re all taking notes.

Only sad thing is you´re serious probably... must have been a few agonizing days for you until he finally replied in a manner to your satisfaction. Last time you took notes he was just as wrong as he is now, you aint gonna learn much good here buddy.

Thoughts and prayers, bigly ones.

[bossofataka]

I wonder how people around the world are taking the announcement tonight about the tariff increase? It seems like a lot of countries economies will suffer due to the downstream effects of this trade war. I know it's not very popular here but I would imagine it's even more unpopular overseas. Will other countries side with Trump to try and bring down China? Or will he be left by himself to wage war against an authoritarian country that can simply wait him out. Any international people, please comment.

In large I´d say no one want´s the trade war to escalate, beacuse of course, it´s not good for anybody in the end.

I don´t think the EU will side with Trump like that, or with any aim to "bring down" China. I think the EU will try stay as neutral as possible, although they (we) have also have major issues with how China conducts trade, and there has been disagreements and little conflicts for years. Our leaders just don´t tend to go ballistic on twitter so it´s not heard of as much, even here.


The richer China has gotten, the more the western world feels at a disadvantage of course. So it´s extremely unlikely the EU as a whole would side with China against the US, like almost zero chance of happening, as long as the EU can stand united. There´s quite a big difference in mind set between the western and eastern countries here now, with more "Trump-like" leaders in the east, that funnily enough are a lot more China-friendly then western europe. They don´t have the same issues with Chinas authoritarian rule as western europeans have for example. Damn, Hungary and Poland are already semi-authoritarian again, sadly... And even though they have benefited greatly from becoming mebers of the EU, they´re in general very critical of the EU, mostly because they´re in general very nationalistic, in some cases even proper racist. So it´s not unlikely that even if the EU might manage to show a united front, dealings with China may differ greatly in say Germany vs Hungary.

[DitkasSausage]

In large I´d say no one want´s the trade war to escalate, beacuse of course, it´s not good for anybody in the end.

I don´t think the EU will side with Trump like that, or with any aim to "bring down" China. I think the EU will try stay as neutral as possible, although they (we) have also have major issues with how China conducts trade, and there has been disagreements and little conflicts for years. Our leaders just don´t tend to go ballistic on twitter so it´s not heard of as much, even here.


The richer China has gotten, the more the western world feels at a disadvantage of course. So it´s extremely unlikely the EU as a whole would side with China against the US, like almost zero chance of happening, as long as the EU can stand united. There´s quite a big difference in mind set between the western and eastern countries here now, with more "Trump-like" leaders in the east, that funnily enough are a lot more China-friendly then western europe. They don´t have the same issues with Chinas authoritarian rule as western europeans have for example. Damn, Hungary and Poland are already semi-authoritarian again, sadly... And even though they have benefited greatly from becoming mebers of the EU, they´re in general very critical of the EU, mostly because they´re in general very nationalistic, in some cases even proper racist. So it´s not unlikely that even if the EU might manage to show a united front, dealings with China may differ greatly in say Germany vs Hungary.

The EU is total garbage... literally nobody in the entire Western Hemisphere, Africa, Australia, or most of Asia care what they do because they are meaningless hacks that appease dictators that don't want to fight on their own behalf. Poland is racist? hahahaha... Poland, unlike the rest of the EU, actually sticks up for themselves. They wanted a missile defense system, and Russia said no... the EU buckled to Russia's will on that. It wasn't until Trump came in that they actually got a missile defense system. You can thank Poland for actually guarding your eastern flank. Remember when Russia just TOOK part of Ukraine, who is an ally of the EU through the Ukraine-EU Association Agreement and the DCFTA? Then the EU sabre-rattled and did nothing but complained that the US did nothing as well? Germany and the rest of the EU buy their natural gas directly from Russia and are taking their citizens money to build pipelines directly to Russia in the aftermath... then had the audacity to claim Trump is in bed with Russia.
So what are the advantages of even caring what the EU thinks? Will they write "nasty e-mails" in our defense? Only to take zero action and then financially support the enemy? The entire EU is a waste of time, and plunging into Civil War within 10 years. Mark that on your calendar. OH YEAH! And now Macron, another useless hack, invites the President of Iran to the G-7 summit... good look! Why didn't Merkle just bring Putin, and let him go balls-deep into her on the dinner table while you are all showing how useless you can be?
The truth is that France will blow any dictator in the middle-east because their biggest source of income is selling them our weapons. Germany is in the same boat. Why do you think they are so vocal about taking refugees? I mean... does that REALLY make any sense? I've heard the arguments in favor of it, but they make no sense... stuff about birth rates and needing a certain growth of population? Then they are like, "Oh were helping them!!!" By what? Sending them to your ghettos and not monitoring whether or not they make trips back and forth to their ISIS handlers? I'm sure your citizens love that, along with the severe uptick in domestic terrorism. Totally worth it right? Merkel and Macron are getting personally rich by selling weapons to drug lords and taking in fanatics because it will never touch them, and they could give 2-craps about their citizens...

I guess what I'm saying is this: good luck when the civil war breaks out. You will be sitting there on your iphone crying about made up climate change, and arguing how many genders there should be while your enemies, who you treat like friends, are planning to take your region over violently. Literally everyone in the free world sees this except you... and you're happily insulting the only country that will help you when you realize your socialist-minded leaders were screwing you over the entire time.

[bossofataka]

*Emotional nonsensical babbel*

Oh my, touched a nerve there I think. Polish roots perhaps...? Chill or your friends might think your an emotional libtard. As for the rest of your rant, I don´t think you managed to get one single fact correct, not to mention I don´t see what any of it had to do with China, but I´ve come to expect nothing else from you at this point. I should make a "best of" post with all your false statements and links to the actual facts on each and every one of them, if I can be bothered. Don´t think many other then your rightist friends here reads this anyway, and they´re beyond salvation I´d say.

[NCRAVEN]

Oh my, touched a nerve there I think. Polish roots perhaps...? Chill or your friends might think your an emotional libtard. As for the rest of your rant, I don´t think you managed to get one single fact correct, not to mention I don´t see what any of it had to do with China, but I´ve come to expect nothing else from you at this point. I should make a "best of" post with all your false statements and links to the actual facts on each and every one of them, if I can be bothered. Don´t think many other then your rightist friends here reads this anyway, and they´re beyond salvation I´d say.

I'd read your post if you were engaging in a somewhat friendly debate. If you were just an asshole, that'd be one thing.

But when you add that you don't know what you're talking about, ignore facts, refuse to be educated or listen to the other side of the argument and rely on just about every logical fallacy possible in your replies, you're rather pointless to engage with.

[bossofataka]

I'd read your post if you were engaging in a somewhat friendly debate. If you were just an asshole, that'd be one thing.

But when you add that you don't know what you're talking about, ignore facts, refuse to be educated or listen to the other side of the argument and rely on just about every logical fallacy possible in your replies, you're rather pointless to engage with.

Which facts do I ignore? Ditkas has only spewed lies and insinuatiuons about health care here that is beyond ridiculuos. I´d even say he´s just trolling at this point almost. No matter how much of an asshole you think I am, if you don´t see the factual faults, the pure right wing propaganda in his health care posts, Idk... nuts.

[bossofataka]

Not to menation that both he and Darb sort of decided for themselves that I wan´t a totalitarian communist state... which I never ever insinuated. Just this last ranting from Ditkas too is so full of false statements, inbetween the pure insults. But, you´re as right wing as him, so you´d side with him against me even if he claimed the earth was flat probably.

[NCRAVEN]

Which facts do I ignore? Ditkas has only spewed lies and insinuatiuons about health care here that is beyond ridiculuos. I´d even say he´s just trolling at this point almost. No matter how much of an asshole you think I am, if you don´t see the factual faults, the pure right wing propaganda in his health care posts, Idk... nuts.

Funny, I thought you were trolling. And I wasn't talking about this thread and just facts regards to healthcare. But that does bring up a good point, does Sweden's healthcare pay for surgeries to remove the stick from your ass?

[bossofataka]

Funny, I thought you were trolling. And I wasn't talking about this thread and just facts regards to healthcare. But that does bring up a good point, does Sweden's healthcare pay for surgeries to remove the stick from your ass?

Ok, I´ll take that as confirmation that you indeed see it but can´t just bare to say Yeah, you´re right".

If I had one I´m sure it would. Apparently insurance over there doesn´t though, you all seem to have them firmly stuck still.

[NCRAVEN]

Ok, I´ll take that as confirmation that you indeed see it but can´t just bare to say Yeah, you´re right".

While I was CLEARLY joking. This is exactly my point. You take whatever is said to believe whatever you want. Not worth engaging to me, but others may feel different.