Democratic Primary

**CarrollCoRaven** · 02-13-2020, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Ortizer

Of the democratic options he seemed less bad than a lot. I also appreciated that he brought up automation as something for people to prepare for.

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Especially if the Democrats keep pushing for a $15 minimum wage. That is a job killer. A robot does not need health insurance and doesn't get time and a half.

**CarrollCoRaven** · 02-13-2020, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ortizer

I tend to vote third party since any vote that's not democratic in Maryland doesn't count anyways.

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You got that right, except in the race for Governor, surprisingly, which will end in 2022 I'm afraid.

**Ortizer** · 02-13-2020, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life

It sounded like you were inferring that anyone could be in Trump's position and be a more "polished" politician while supporting the same policies.

I simply disagree.

Trump is setting incumbent voting records in Iowa and NH right now. Does that happen under a Cruz, Rubio, Romney, or Bush administration?

PS
The reason I asked you WHO is because there is something that Trump is doing that hasn't been done before and frankly couldn't be done by anyone else. The closest thing to it in my lifetime was the Obama wave in 2007/2008. Right person...right time. There is an energy going on right now that is palpable amongst conservatives/pro-America people that Trump is riding. There's no chance that same energy is happening under anyone else.

I would also say that part of the record setting primary performance is because everyone is out to get him so people are rallying around him.

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**Ortizer** · 02-13-2020, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by DitkasSausage

Do you think she could win? Historically, midwest candidates don't fare too well. (Obama claimed Chicago, but he had Hawaii roots as well, plus he's kind of an anomaly across the board).
Usually "charisma" isn't an attribute given to most midwestern folks due to their speech patterns. Can you see Ray Zellensky, the Auto-Part King being president?

1. Doesn't Ohio have the most past presidents?
2. Great lakes accent is the generic American accent on TV and such. Not quite what you would hear in Minnesota, but definitely Midwestern.

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**Ortizer** · 02-13-2020, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Nope

Risky move there Amy... way to take a stance!

Nope

She gone

Nail in the coffin

There is no medical reason for a 3rd trimester abortion for the "health of the woman". Moronic stance or.., I should say she supports no limits

There is simply not enough money in taxing the wealthy to pay for all the Dems' want

These two don't go together.

Yeah... more taxes! That's a winning formula.

Two years free could be a cagey way of saying free community College. Lol

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**Ortizer** · 02-13-2020, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven

Especially if the Democrats keep pushing for a $15 minimum wage. That is a job killer. A robot does not need health insurance and doesn't get time and a half.

Yeah. Basically guarantee the job will be automated away, or the staffing will decrease when you do that.

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**Ortizer** · 02-13-2020, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven

You got that right, except in the race for Governor, surprisingly, which will end in 2022 I'm afraid.

Too true

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**ddr_jr** · 02-13-2020, 08:09 AM

What I've learned from from 2016.

The more of these Bloomberg videos and past statements that come out, the more he will be in the news. The more he is in the news, the more name recognition he will get. Soon the airwaves will be flooded. Eventually, the next new negative thing that will come out, will have a numbing effect. Meaning, folks won't care anymore.

Next, Bloomberg will start placing black advocates and supporters on TV to make the case that Bloomberg is good for African Americans and not a racist (it's already happening). Sounds familiar?

The right wing media will be flummoxed on how to paint him. They can't hit him on socialism. They can't hit him on not being a capitalist. They can't hit him on being weak on crime. The only goods they will have is the fact he may come into your living room and take your guns. Or they will try to hit him for not being left enough. :)

If he wins primary, he would sell that he would not mess up the economy with his business background. He'll try to say he is a better businessman and organizer than trump without that attitude and unbecoming behavior. He will tout his tough on crime creds. He will be the anti Trump and will apologize on his past to try to make amends.

He will provide a landing path for moderates, Independents, Republicans who don't like Trump, and the Democrats who don't believe a revolution is coming.

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**Greg** · 02-13-2020, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

What u guys dont understand, Trump could be Jesus, and 85% plus will still want his arse gone. They can see through his BS and know what he is. You can't break the dislike of Trump with employment statistics and freeing a person or two from prison. I just things you'll never understand.

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First off, if Trump were Jesus I doubt 85% would want him gone, though there is a significant number who would be against Him.

Second - WHAT?

You can see through his BS of good employment numbers and sentencing reform?

LOL. Who wants that kind of BS in the minority communities?

**Greg** · 02-13-2020, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by ddr_jr

What I was saying is whatever slight that will be cast upon Bloomberg....will be cancelled out by anything Trump says to make it an issue. He's not believable.

Then it will boil down to the old lesser of two evils. And Bloomberg would be lesser.

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Not believable? He's actually delivered on much of what he promised, unlike so many politicians before him.

**Greg** · 02-13-2020, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by I Touchdown There

Sorry I know we'll disagree and that's cool with me but no one could be worse than trump now. I may agree with some things he does more than someone really far right but I could never vote for the guy. Bernie would be tough for me to vote for too, for that matter, more based on policy though

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No one could be worse than Trump?

How specifically regarding policy, is Trump so bad?

**ddr_jr** · 02-13-2020, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Greg

Not believable? He's actually delivered on much of what he promised, unlike so many politicians before him.

Believable as related to Trump having outrage over Bloomberg words and statements. Was not taking about Trump's policies.

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