Democratic Primary

**Laxdad24** · 11-13-2019, 01:31 PM

Not on topic per se’ but ...was back in Hazard County this past weekend visiting the family. My Brother and I went to Independent Brewery for a few cold ones on Sat nite and I shit you not slapped on the back of a Prius in the parking lot was the funniest bumper sticker I’ve ever seen.

Sticker read “ Billionaires can’t buy Bernie. Vote Sanders 2020. “. If I wasn’t mildly inebriated I woulda took a pic.
You can’t make this shit up. People really believe these guys are on our side!

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**cjandrze** · 11-13-2019, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Not on topic per se’ but ...was back in Hazard County this past weekend visiting the family. My Brother and I went to Independent Brewery for a few cold ones on Sat nite and I shit you not slapped on the back of a Prius in the parking lot was the funniest bumper sticker I’ve ever seen.

Sticker read “ Billionaires can’t buy Bernie. Vote Sanders 2020. “. If I wasn’t mildly inebriated I woulda took a pic.
You can’t make this shit up. People really believe these guys are on our side!

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Well, he is the only candidate running without a Billionaire sponsor. Not to say he wouldn't take the money if offered though, who knows.

**Laxdad24** · 11-13-2019, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by cjandrze

Well, he is the only candidate running without a Billionaire sponsor. Not to say he wouldn't take the money if offered though, who knows.

But isn’t Bernie a Billionaire? I mean Trump is and he prob hasn’t been bought. It just strikes me as funny how both sides think these career politicians are good for us. They’ve all gotten rich off of kick backs and donations. Just odd.

Not intended to be aimed at you brother CJ.

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**Vlad the lad** · 11-13-2019, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

what examples? you just said tax cuts that didnt take place until years later and deregulation in general, for stock market increases that happened right away. If anything this supports my thoughts that actual policy doesnt have much to do with it. its about uncertainty and once a president is elected, that removes some. I dont believe in instant results, i think it takes time to see effect, and i really question how much a president really impacts global markets.

I think youre mixing up whether you liked them or not as whether or not they should be considered in the results during his presidency. meaning even the ones in hindsight we think were poor, how do you distinguish them to not contribute them to the results? I can point to NAFTA, WTO, or China policies and say they had an impact on the economy. Not unlike Oritzer pointed out, they can be part of the boom and later the bust all the same. not having hindsight to compare good/bad policies like with clinton, or even Obama/Bush, with Trump makes it difficult to compare the same way. youre just applying in office stats with Trump and assuming theyll be positive in hindsight because you like the policies. I can assure you people liked the booming economy in the 90s while it was happening as well and some of those same policies were heralded at the time, especially the bi-partisan ones that now Clinton takes blame for.

I said the stock market reacted to trump winning. I said investors specifically stated they wanted to invest in the market because of trumps views on business. The stock market reacts to to the potential. It goes back to the old saying. Buy on the rumor, sell in the news. So the stock market took a sharp rise when investors realized Wednesday morning that they had a business friendly president that ran on lowering taxes for business. That is how the stock market works.

The economy typically lags behind. So the gdp wouldn’t change overnight. That might take a year or two to see results This should all be common knowledge.

So trump has a pro business agenda that investors like. Thus the stock market took a sharp rise

Not sure I would give clinton credit for NAFTA being his policy. Bush worked on it. Signed it in 92. Clinton formalized it. It’s kinda like giving Bush Sr credit fir opening west Germany because the wall actually came down under Bush, when it was a Reagan policy and he did the leg work and bush happened to be in office when it happen

But back to the original question, that no one seems to be able to answer. What Clinton policies lead to the strong economy or job growth?

**Vlad the lad** · 11-13-2019, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

But isn’t Bernie a Billionaire? I mean Trump is and he prob hasn’t been bought. It just strikes me as funny how both sides think these career politicians are good for us. They’ve all gotten rich off of kick backs and donations. Just odd.

Not intended to be aimed at you brother CJ.

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I would love to see an end to career politicians. Would love to see 10 years be the cap. You can maybe 12 years. So 4 years as a rep or a governor, then 8 years as a pres. or 12 years as a rep. Or a senator. But let’s just end these crooks that are becoming millionaires because they are in public office for decades

**blueridgemtnman** · 11-13-2019, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

But isn’t Bernie a Billionaire? I mean Trump is and he prob hasn’t been bought. It just strikes me as funny how both sides think these career politicians are good for us. They’ve all gotten rich off of kick backs and donations. Just odd.

Not intended to be aimed at you brother CJ.

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I believe Bernie is simply a plain, ordinary multi-millionaire.

**Laxdad24** · 11-13-2019, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by blueridgemtnman

I believe Bernie is simply a plain, ordinary multi-millionaire.

Oh. Well then. Get that man some food stamps and an Obama phone!! Lmao.

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**wickedsolo** · 11-13-2019, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Vlad the lad

I would love to see an end to career politicians. Would love to see 10 years be the cap. You can maybe 12 years. So 4 years as a rep or a governor, then 8 years as a pres. or 12 years as a rep. Or a senator. But let’s just end these crooks that are becoming millionaires because they are in public office for decades

That’s part of it. What’s sickening is they continually approve raises for themselves. They’re already making 3-4 times what the avg American makes and I would be surprised if on avg they work 20-25 hours per week.

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**blueridgemtnman** · 11-13-2019, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Oh. Well then. Get that man some food stamps and an Obama phone!! Lmao.

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LOL. Bernie's got his merry band of minions, though. Funny how most of those who advocate for socialism really don't contribute much to society to begin with. Interesting how that works. Hmmmm…...

**CarrollCoRaven** · 11-13-2019, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

That’s part of it. What’s sickening is they continually approve raises for themselves. They’re already making 3-4 times what the avg American makes and I would be surprised if on avg they work 20-25 hours per week.

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Yeah, and that's reported income. Who knows how much lobby money/side deals they pocket. I'm sure most of them also have their kids set up in gravy jobs just like Joe Biden did for his kid. Also, most people get a couple of weeks vacation, Congress gets several months vacation. It's a joke.

**jonboy79** · 11-13-2019, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven

Yeah, and that's reported income. Who knows how much lobby money/side deals they pocket. I'm sure most of them also have their kids set up in gravy jobs just like Joe Biden did for his kid. Also, most people get a couple of weeks vacation, Congress gets several months vacation. It's a joke.

You mean it’s not logical for a president to increase their net worth by $40m in 8 years making a half million dollars a year? That’s not how compound interest works?

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**CarrollCoRaven** · 11-13-2019, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

You mean it’s not logical for a president to increase their net worth by $40m in 8 years making a half million dollars a year? That’s not how compound interest works?

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I'm sure most of it was due to his 401K doing so well.