The “Squad”

[JAB1985]

The comment has race aspects, not really, but maybe a little. That however does not make it racist. If one see's racism, I think it's cause they want to

Again, is the keyword here. Whether you like him, agree or disagree, he thinks saying the country was great, but it's not because of trade, immigration the swamp etc. So lets get it back to what it was before those. No again, you can disagree if he means it or those things are happening, but to say why isn't he leaving????

I feel the same that defend without seeing the possibility or how his comments can be taken as racist. Its projecting intent either way, and there are certainly people that claim everything he says is racist, as much as those saying nothing he says is racist. I think hes said some questionable things that only he knows the intent. these particular comments, i dont think necessarily are, but im also not disagreeing they were cringe worthy, especially without clarification.

Im not sure what the point youre making in the second paragraph. im not asking him to leave. I dont think he should be asking elected american citizens to leave because he wants to change things differently than them, or use their history of immigration (or not) to argue those differences.

I think the bigger story from this is that while alot of supporters will comment about his statements being about anti-ILLEGAL immigration, hes basically saying dont come here to 4 women that immigrated legally, just because they have different opinions than him. Thats if you take the softer and clarified stance of what his intent was. Its not a good statement if the clarification is "im not racist im just anti-immigrants that disagree with me."

[NCRAVEN]

I feel the same that defend without seeing the possibility or how his comments can be taken as racist.

I looked at the possibility they were racist, they weren't.

Im not sure what the point youre making in the second paragraph. im not asking him to leave. I dont think he should be asking elected american citizens to leave because he wants to change things differently than them, or use their history of immigration (or not) to argue those differences.

No, you didn't ask him to leave. You said:

I dont get the "like it or leave" approach. "make american great again" implies changes. Clearly Trump doesnt like what America is and is trying to change it. Hes not liking it or leaving it either. These are members of congress which are voted to do the very same thing hes doing. Which makes it incredibly hypocritical to me. thats not how governments and democracy's work.

You didn't understand why he would tell someone to leave for changing it, when they're trying to change it too. Except they're not trying to change it like he is. He's trying to change it to what it was (or says he is) they're trying to change it to something it's not supposed to be.

So he wouldn't leave because he (says) he's trying to make it great AGAIN, they're trying to make it something else.

Does that clarify it?

[ERey]

Legitimate questions for the group. Do YOU think what Trump tweeted/said was “racist”? (Not what MSM thinks, please don’t post an article with BuzzFeeds opinion). If so, how? And also... do you think having this “squad”, who poll nationally between 6-25% approval rating, be defended by the Democrats publicly will help democrats in ANY way?

No. Of course it wasn't racist. Not even close. Democrats have watered the word "racist" down so much now that my ham sandwich is probably racist.

[ERey]

Trump never brought up skin color, gender, or “people of color” which means there was absolutely nothing racist about anything he said. Nothing nativist. Nothing xenophobic whatsoever. His tweets focused on only one thing...their behavior. The insane and idiotic behavior of these communist/socialists and their indefensible bigotry. Their open hatred of Jewish people. Their incessant comparisons of the American military to Al Qaeda and our border enforcement agencies to Nazi concentration camps. Their un-American crusade to give illegal immigrants priority over American tax paying citizens and legal immigrants who came into this country the right way.

Nobody has stood up to these assholes and all their vitriol for fear of being called racist. Trump did. He defended Americans and America...which is exactly what a President should do.

Regarding assimilation...



He's right.

^^ What ravenmaniac4life said!!! ^^

As for myself, coming from someone who's family is from Asia, it's entirely possible to keep your culture, language, traditions and heritage AND assimilate to life in the US. The whole notion that Trump's comments were racist or xenophobic is quite laughable.

[JAB1985]

I looked at the possibility they were racist, they weren't.

No, you didn't ask him to leave. You said:

You didn't understand why he would tell someone to leave for changing it, when they're trying to change it too. Except they're not trying to change it like he is. He's trying to change it to what it was (or says he is) they're trying to change it to something it's not supposed to be.

So he wouldn't leave because he (says) he's trying to make it great AGAIN, they're trying to make it something else.

Does that clarify it?

I think I see the difference youre suggesting. Youre applying a historical context (or Trump is atleast), im just looking at it on the political spectrum.

im not sure how that applies to signaling these 4 out and bringing up their ancestry. youd think hed have that comment for the entirety of the DNC if thats truly how he felt, they all wish for the current state ot be more left than it was historically right.

[wickedsolo]

interesting conversation that seems to go down party lines for the most part, like most things these days.

my first thoughts were similar to Wicked's and it was just another dumb trump comment. One, he should just allow them to feast on their own, politically, but he cant leave well enough alone and has to interject himself into it. why? just a moronic approach because hes now the conversation (likely his goal in one way or another) instead of Pelosi vs the new girls, which would have really helped him and other conservatives.

where i differ, is the comment does have a race aspect to it, but its not blatantly racist, imo. the assumption of his comments is almost as if these brown girls with strange names couldnt be from this country (which I think he may actually have thought). 3 of them are and the other naturalized (which should mean something to her want to be here), but either way is clearly an anti-immigrant comment in context, that they should have all stayed where they were, or even went back to a country they may never have been rather than come here. Thats not helping him seem less anti-immigrant for sure. the whole argument is based on the assumption that these girls dont like america for wanting to better/change it, and their ancestry is being used to single out their political motivations as different than any other in congress who want to do similar (even Pelosi), both sides of the aisle. Thats why its racially charged and Trump didnt have to distinguish that aspect to argue against their positions. So why did he?

I dont get the "like it or leave" approach. "make american great again" implies changes. Clearly Trump doesnt like what America is and is trying to change it. Hes not liking it or leaving it either. These are members of congress which are voted to do the very same thing hes doing. Which makes it incredibly hypocritical to me. thats not how governments and democracy's work.

so in conclusion, i see the race aspect, but i dont think his intent was racist necessarily. I think it was an incredibly stupid comment.

I dont agree with the anti-immigrant connotation at all. In fact, I think one could arrive at the conclusion that his comments were pro-immigration. There are A LOT of people that want to come here. We're even seeing people travel into Mexico from places like India to try and cross over into America at the southern border rather than going the legal route of applying for citizenship.

The point is - we have a ton of people literally beating down the door to get in and we have these four women in elected positions that are constantly shitting on America. If America is as bad as they are claiming, then leave. It's not that hard. They have money. They get 174,000 per year for doing jack shit as a congressional representative. If AOC truly thinks that socialism is the shit and America sucks because it isn't socialist, then why doesn't she leave? Relocate to Venezuela, Cuba, the UK or whatever other socialist/communist country she's interested in. If America is so damn terrible and racist and ______-ist then why doesn't Ilhan Omar go back to Somalia where they gang rape women on the regular and stone them to death for not washing the dishes? Why doesn't she move to France or Germany where there is actual racism (REAL racism and bigotry) towards Muslims and "brown people".

They're hypocrites. All of them.

I deal with people like that on a daily basis in the security community.

Obnoxious Client: "This security product sucks. It doesn't work. It's the worst security product in the world."

Me: "...ok, can you give me an example?"

Obnoxious Client: "Well, not off the top of my head...."

Me: "...Alright, well, here are metrics derived from your logs that show improved security after using our product."

Obnoxious Client: "Stop being so racist."

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interesting conversation that seems to go down party lines for the most part, like most things these days.

my first thoughts were similar to Wicked's and it was just another dumb trump comment. One, he should just allow them to feast on their own, politically, but he cant leave well enough alone and has to interject himself into it. why? just a moronic approach because hes now the conversation (likely his goal in one way or another) instead of Pelosi vs the new girls, which would have really helped him and other conservatives.

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Baiting the speaker into defending the radical portion of the dem party, thereby making the whole party appear more radical (I would actually say getting them to expose themselves as radical) is actually pretty savvy

[JAB1985]

Baiting the speaker into defending the radical portion of the dem party, thereby making the whole party appear more radical (I would actually say getting them to expose themselves as radical) is actually pretty savvy

I see that point with swing voters.

To me his greatest opponent is a unified Left. getting them to look past their differences and unite against him seems counter to that. Keep them divided and hed make a lot more independent voters against the democrats eventual nominee. creating more independents from that side would only benefit him. If theyre all singing Kum by yah by the time the nominee is selected that doesnt bode as well. part of him winning last election was the Dems being divided between bernie and HRC.

[NCRAVEN]

Baiting the speaker into defending the radical portion of the dem party, thereby making the whole party appear more radical (I would actually say getting them to expose themselves as radical) is actually pretty savvy

[DitkasSausage]

There have been way too many different accusations from different sources over too long a period of time for me to just dismiss...not to mention a lot of Trump's own comments! You don't have to burn crosses in someone's front yard in order to be racist. You dont even have to hate people of another race. The bar is a lot lower than people seem to think or want to think because no one wants to be seen as supporting a racist. People will bend over backwards to excuse it because they like his politics. The thing about racism is no one ever thinks it applies to them. Even David Duke will tell you he's not racist and he believes it.

The bar is set and defined pretty much at this: do you feel that people, based on purely their ethnicity or gender, exhibit general personality similarities that can be cast in a negative light. If his comments were, “Latinos can all go back to where they came from because they’re jerks”. That’s racist. Saying, “These specific individuals are jerks...” not racist. It’s very very easy.

[ravenmaniac4life]

There are A LOT of people that want to come here. We're even seeing people travel into Mexico from places like India to try and cross over into America at the southern border rather than going the legal route of applying for citizenship.

The point is - we have a ton of people literally beating down the door to get in and we have these four women in elected positions that are constantly shitting on America. If America is as bad as they are claiming, then leave. It's not that hard. They have money. They get 174,000 per year for doing jack shit as a congressional representative. If AOC truly thinks that socialism is the shit and America sucks because it isn't socialist, then why doesn't she leave? Relocate to Venezuela, Cuba, the UK or whatever other socialist/communist country she's interested in. If America is so damn terrible and racist and ______-ist then why doesn't Ilhan Omar go back to Somalia where they gang rape women on the regular and stone them to death for not washing the dishes? Why doesn't she move to France or Germany where there is actual racism (REAL racism and bigotry) towards Muslims and "brown people".

I think this post outlines how a large chunk of America thinks. Well, the sane part.

The Democrats are dying on the most ridiculous hill and Trump is forcing them into it.

It's comically hilarious to listen to the talking heads and Leftist politicians like AOC and Tlaib continue to push their nonsense while pretending that a terrorist didn't just attempt to murder people at an ICE facility because he thought he was attacking a "concentration camp." You won't hear about a story like that because it doesn't further the DNC cause. Shaun King actually said that this terrorist's manifesto was beautiful. These types of stories are ignored which all but reaffirms the "fake news" label. Americans are sick of it.

Listen to Candace Owens describe her experience at one of these CONCENTRATION CAMPS which are holding child detainees in Florida. This is awesome...

[wickedsolo]

I think this post outlines how a large chunk of America thinks. Well, the sane part.

The Democrats are dying on the most ridiculous hill and Trump is forcing them into it.

It's comically hilarious to listen to the talking heads and Leftist politicians like AOC and Tlaib continue to push their nonsense while pretending that a terrorist didn't just attempt to murder people at an ICE facility because he thought he was attacking a "concentration camp." You won't hear about a story like that because it doesn't further the DNC cause. Shaun King actually said that this terrorist's manifesto was beautiful. These types of stories are ignored which all but reaffirms the "fake news" label. Americans are sick of it.

Listen to Candace Owens describe her experience at one of these CONCENTRATION CAMPS which are holding child detainees in Florida. This is awesome...

I have a friend who works for CBP as an intelligence analyst down in McCallan Texas (right on the border). They have an ICE detention facility down there. She's told me countless times that AOC and her ilk are basically fabricating everything and lying to the public about the CBP, immigration, etc. The facility she is at was designed for around 3,500 people and they currently have almost 10,000 there. They have no more space and, in a lot cases, detained immigrants are basically just roaming around the facility unchecked because they're overcrowded.

So, to those of you down here in the LID that aren't sure who to believe...how about taking it from someone that actually works at CBP on the Texas/Mexico border?