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07-04-2019, 01:30 PM #49Veteran Poster
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Re: So, it was the flag
Kap is a hateful racist liar and totally embodies the liberal Lefty anti-American agenda. But this is just a symptom. The root is the liberal left wing wicked agenda. They are content in watching this country being destroyed if they can individually benefit from it.
People like Kap, the LGBT, the feminists Me too movement, illegal immigrants, etc., they hate authority. They force their individual agendas down folks throat. Conservatives are being physically attacked by these liberals for wearing MAGA hats, or a kippah, or having a flag (be it Israel, Confederate, or the US flag). It's time we conservatives stop resting on our laurels and take back our great country? How? VOTE!
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07-04-2019, 01:39 PM #50Veteran Poster
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I kind of get your point. For instance, the rainbow is a symbol of G-D'S Covenant to never again destroy the earth by flood. But the LGBT perverted it into their twisted symbol. While I am no fan of Nike for many more reasons outside of Kap, you have a right to wear it because this is America. A place wear we could disagree and not be attacked or sued for it.
It's like taking down the statue of a Confederate and replacing it with Harriet Tubman. You take down a statue of Robert Lee saying it represents times of slavery and replace it with Harriet Tubman who also represents slavery.
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07-04-2019, 06:18 PM #51Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: So, it was the flag
That seems like an ignorant POV.
Some would say its taking down a statue of some one who fought for slavery to continue vs. a statue of someone who fought against slavery.
While its not exactly equal, there are no statues of Hitler in Germany anymore. Most people dont want statues around them that convey ideals of inequality, like those of the confederate south.
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07-04-2019, 10:31 PM #52Legendary RSR Poster
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07-05-2019, 12:32 AM #56
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Lee was against slavery. His plan was to pay the slaves for five years while giving them an education before setting them free. This would allow them to more seamlessly integrate into broader society without people being able to take advantage of them. He fought against a foreign power invading his country.
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07-05-2019, 08:34 AM #57
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Little history lesson. I’m neither agreeing or disagreeing but it needs to be pointed out. Robert E Lee was also anti-slavery. Odds are, had the south won their separation, they would have also become slave free in time as he was likely to be the next confederate president. He was a West Point graduate who actually wrote many letters on his hatred for the institution. However, it was a different time. His pride in his state and sense of duty to his statesmen is what called him back. The South did NOT just stand for slavery but instead worried about an expansive federal government. Slavery certainly was the top issue of course. I think that by removing all traces of the whole story and just breaking it down to “They were racist slave holders!” Is very narrow. There are many arguments the Confederacy made that were absolutely pertinent. The most telling time period where blacks might have agreed with the south was Vietnam. The confederacy believed armed service was an honor held for aristocrats. They despised the idea of a draft and socioeconomics playing a role in who served in the military. Meanwhile, the North was taking people off the boat, throwing a uniform on them, and handing them a rifle, and pushing them to the front lines because immigrants were expendable.
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07-05-2019, 10:24 AM #58Pro Bowl Poster
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Word. So he held his nose and fought for ideals against his own just because of where he was born.
As you stated, slavery was the top issue and the confederacy was for it whether lee was or not.
Tubman was a hero who fought to liberate her shackled brothers and sisters.
I know which one id rather have a statue nearby to revere. YMMV.
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07-05-2019, 11:24 AM #60
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Warning: all arguments you made were strawman arguments. Did I dismiss Harriet Tubman? Nope. She was amazing. Does a statue have to be ripped down to make another more valuable? Nope. Did I say it was a different time? Yes. Did Lee maybe go back to fix his countries values rather than throw a hissy fit and ask government to fix it for him? Yes. I’d go see both statues if I was out to learn more about our history because regardless of my opinions on highly specific and selective parts of the whole, I’d want to know the full story. Be educated and gain the wisdom to know that all men are flawed and all men are great. At the time, EVERYONE on both sides of that war loved Lee. He was a truly unifying force as a man. He spent the rest of his post-war life denouncing slavery. Would you want to be judged fully for only your bad decisions or questionable choices and have your good deeds be ignored? Can I now say I think you are fully a moron for your one opinion that differs from mine? You think MAYBE that’s the problem right now is that everyone is viewed as a monolith?
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