Flacco has no interest in mentoring Lock

**boller4president** · 05-17-2019, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by bacchys

Right. He led a game-winning drive with a torn ACL because he didn't give a fuck.

Flacco Haters have always been irrational.

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Albert Haynesworth played through injuries. You can pick any player in the league and at some point in their career they have played through an injury.

None of us are questioning his commitment on Sunday anyways it's the other 6 days of the week and whether he is willing to do things like work on tip drills. Drag himself into optional workouts. Organizing his own camps with WR's. Putting in the time to learn a new offense and studying tape.

One of the sort of tells he never put in the work is he never really got better as he got older in those areas like most veterans do. He still struggles with reads at the LOS. Doesn't audible. Struggles to go through his progressions and recognize the open WR. Can't make anticipatory throws.

In any case it isn't our problem now but the idea that he was the first one in and last one to leave isn't born out by the coaches begging him to one and what he shows on the field.

**seraph** · 05-17-2019, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I bet He starts two full years, Lock isn’t close to ready and Flacco still has just enough left in the tank...

Have you checked Flacco's injury history? Confident in Denver's O-line to protect him?

**WrongBaldy** · 05-17-2019, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by boller4president

Albert Haynesworth played through injuries. You can pick any player in the league and at some point in their career they have played through an injury.

None of us are questioning his commitment on Sunday anyways it's the other 6 days of the week and whether he is willing to do things like work on tip drills. Drag himself into optional workouts. Organizing his own camps with WR's. Putting in the time to learn a new offense and studying tape.

One of the sort of tells he never put in the work is he never really got better as he got older in those areas like most veterans do. He still struggles with reads at the LOS. Doesn't audible. Struggles to go through his progressions and recognize the open WR. Can't make anticipatory throws.

In any case it isn't our problem now but the idea that he was the first one in and last one to leave isn't born out by the coaches begging him to one and what he shows on the field.

it was most likely adrenaline?

**Ortizer** · 05-18-2019, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by usmccharles

Wonder if Broncos fans are freaking out as much as some Ravens fans about this

Ran into a broncos fan in the concession line at the Baysox game. He seemed unsure on Flacco, but definitely thought he was in a different league than Keenum.

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**usmccharles** · 05-18-2019, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Ortizer

Ran into a broncos fan in the concession line at the Baysox game. He seemed unsure on Flacco, but definitely thought he was in a different league than Keenum.

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That's fair and logical.

**burnwood** · 05-19-2019, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

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So did Joe rest on his laurels, and $100 million contract, or did Ozzie not surround him with players that would support the offense? I doubt we will ever know the answer to that question... Bc

I think both happened. Joe rested first, then Ozzie rested in his comfort zone as a result when bringing in the same types of players. Figured, why dump money in the offense if this guy isn't getting any better.

**ClericBlackDave** · 05-19-2019, 02:00 PM

People get angry about player and Coach speak answers, but then get upset or want to poke at people who do Real Talk.

Flacco is telling you the truth. Do you think Peyton Manning at the end was mentoring Brock Osweiler?

one thing people in Baltimore will miss is actually how good of an interview Flacco was. Might not have been the most exciting oh, but I think he was fairly honest without throwing his teammates under the bus

**burnwood** · 05-19-2019, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave

People get angry about player and Coach speak answers, but then get upset or want to poke at people who do Real Talk.

Flacco is telling you the truth. Do you think Peyton Manning at the end was mentoring Brock Osweiler?

one thing people in Baltimore will miss is actually how good of an interview Flacco was. Might not have been the most exciting oh, but I think he was fairly honest without throwing his teammates under the bus

Manning, Favre, Brady, etc are not average stop gap QBs either. They were entrenched enough to be HOFers at the end without question. QBs like Flacco are not of this ilk which means he doesn't have the freeness of speech on the subject of mentoring as he thinks he does.

Flacco's posturing is better served doing everything and all the little things that make his entire team better.

**Captain Silver** · 05-19-2019, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by burnwood

Manning, Favre, Brady, etc are not average stop gap QBs either. They were entrenched enough to be HOFers at the end without question. QBs like Flacco are not of this ilk which means he doesn't have the freeness of speech on the subject of mentoring as he thinks he does.

Flacco's posturing is better served doing everything and all the little things that make his entire team better.

That is not the mentality of ANY starting QB, if it were they would not be starters. They all want to compete, be #1, have the winning drive. Dudes that do not think like that are looking for a paycheck and are happy to hold a clipboard. Flacco may never have the HOF credentials of the players you listed, but none of those, NONE of those Super Bowl winning QB's had a Super Bowl run that Joe Flacco had, only Joe Montana had a run like that.

Joe has tasted that, while it is extremely doubtful he will ever taste it again, he will try to get that back. Success is not a forgotten thing. No one mentored him, so for Lock to have success he is going to need to learn by assimilation, not lessons from a QB interested in climbing the mountain.

Plus, for argument's sake, IF Joe did go on a tear and one a second Super Bowl MVP, his HOF status would be a guarantee.

**burnwood** · 05-19-2019, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Silver

That is not the mentality of ANY starting QB, if it were they would not be starters. They all want to compete, be #1, have the winning drive. Dudes that do not think like that are looking for a paycheck and are happy to hold a clipboard. Flacco may never have the HOF credentials of the players you listed, but none of those, NONE of those Super Bowl winning QB's had a Super Bowl run that Joe Flacco had, only Joe Montana had a run like that.

Joe has tasted that, while it is extremely doubtful he will ever taste it again, he will try to get that back. Success is not a forgotten thing. No one mentored him, so for Lock to have success he is going to need to learn by assimilation, not lessons from a QB interested in climbing the mountain.

Plus, for argument's sake, IF Joe did go on a tear and one a second Super Bowl MVP, his HOF status would be a guarantee.

Would it really be a guarantee? Because there was MUCH debate about the lesser Manning being a HOFer. And Flacco is considered less of a QB than that Manning in the minds of many.

**Captain Silver** · 05-19-2019, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by burnwood

Would it really be a guarantee? Because there was MUCH debate about the lesser Manning being a HOFer. And Flacco is considered less of a QB than that Manning in the minds of many.

Two Super Bowl MPV's? That is a shoo-in.