Ravens 2019 Offense Scheme

**BcRaven** · 04-30-2019, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by blah3

So, I don't get this at all. You think he has instincts to run? I don't think he wants to run. It was the TEAM that called for Lamar to run, and he carried out the play.

What's not to get? LJ has superior running skills, so he did lean on them as he was thrown into the fire in 2018. Remember he was supposed to hold a clipboard, but not see the field. blah, it doesn't matter if the TEAM or he himself took on a run-first attitude, what counts to me is that LJ had actual on-field experience that will (hopefully) be developed into a more mature/balanced QB... and YES in 2018 he had instincts to run. Hopefully not so much in 2019... Bc

**Kyle Cactus** · 04-30-2019, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Offense

I think that you have to analyze Lamar in the context that he faced in those eight games. A 21-year old project who was being slowly fed into the NFL is suddenly forced to be a starter after limited reps with the first team up to that point. He had to rely on something and it is not a surprise that it was his natural talents. He will now have time to work as The Man and learn in different conditions. To judge Lamar on what he faced last season is not an indicator of much. I would take from the sample-size the progress that he made from Training Camp/Preseason to the starting role into which he was thrust. Clearly, the playoff game showed that he was in over his head at this point, but we have to see if he progresses beyond what he learned in that game.

The context of being VERY young (even for a rookie) is definitely important. We've seen other young QBs take big leaps recently (Goff and Mahomes). And maybe Jackson, if he's headed for a similar leap, will take an extra year to get there because of his age. Mahomes broke out at 23, Goff at 24. Jackson will be 22 this season (I'm just grabbing their ages off Pro-Football-Reference).

If your point is that Jackson's struggles throwing deep MIGHT be an aberration or that he MIGHT develop into a better deep ball passer than he is now, I agree. But I think we also have to acknowledge the possibility that he might not develop much with his deep ball.

I'm excited for Jackson, I'm just also trying to be a realist.

**signore** · 04-30-2019, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus

The context of being VERY young (even for a rookie) is definitely important. We've seen other young QBs take big leaps recently (Goff and Mahomes). And maybe Jackson, if he's headed for a similar leap, will take an extra year to get there because of his age. Mahomes broke out at 23, Goff at 24. Jackson will be 22 this season (I'm just grabbing their ages off Pro-Football-Reference).

If your point is that Jackson's struggles throwing deep MIGHT be an aberration or that he MIGHT develop into a better deep ball passer than he is now, I agree. But I think we also have to acknowledge the possibility that he might not develop much with his deep ball.

I'm excited for Jackson, I'm just also trying to be a realist.

If I want to watch OU's college offense at the pro level I might as well get tickets for Towson's games-a college offense and much less expensive.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 04-30-2019, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by signore

If I want to watch OU's college offense at the pro level I might as well get tickets for Towson's games-a college offense and much less expensive.

And a lot less crowded too. Have at it.

Sure, being a Ravens fan has been difficult since 2014. I get that. But to disparage winning football?

**Valhain** · 04-30-2019, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

The video of all OU plays of 40+ yards from 2017-18 is...

OVER EIGHT MINUTES LONG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w9b8XAKiNw

Wow, even allowing for Mayfield, the way Lamb (and others, but specially him) gets open is just outrageous.

**seraph** · 04-30-2019, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by signore

If I want to watch OU's college offense at the pro level I might as well get tickets for Towson's games-a college offense and much less expensive.

>Comparing Towson to Oklahoma

Yikes.

**Captain Offense** · 04-30-2019, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus

The context of being VERY young (even for a rookie) is definitely important. We've seen other young QBs take big leaps recently (Goff and Mahomes). And maybe Jackson, if he's headed for a similar leap, will take an extra year to get there because of his age. Mahomes broke out at 23, Goff at 24. Jackson will be 22 this season (I'm just grabbing their ages off Pro-Football-Reference).

If your point is that Jackson's struggles throwing deep MIGHT be an aberration or that he MIGHT develop into a better deep ball passer than he is now, I agree. But I think we also have to acknowledge the possibility that he might not develop much with his deep ball.

I'm excited for Jackson, I'm just also trying to be a realist.

My point is that using last year's eight games as a final indicator of anything is a bit shallow. What he does going forward may be good, bad or middle of the road. I will wait to see how he handles things as a starter after having a full preparation; and then assess him at each step up the ladder as the game slows down for him and he adapts to the NFL defenses over 16 (or maybe even 32) games.

**blah3** · 04-30-2019, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by BcRaven

What's not to get? LJ has superior running skills, so he did lean on them as he was thrown into the fire in 2018. Remember he was supposed to hold a clipboard, but not see the field. blah, it doesn't matter if the TEAM or he himself took on a run-first attitude, what counts to me is that LJ had actual on-field experience that will (hopefully) be developed into a more mature/balanced QB... and YES in 2018 he had instincts to run. Hopefully not so much in 2019... Bc

What's not to get is that you remark made it sound like Lamar wants to run pretty quickly if things don't pan out. That is not what I saw. I saw a QB who wants to move around the pocket to possibly stay in it and make a throw. So it really does matter if the TEAM made him run or if he is skittish and won't go through progressions.

**Kyle Cactus** · 04-30-2019, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Offense

My point is that using last year's eight games as a final indicator of anything is a bit shallow.

I wasn't doing that.

I think we mostly agree, and if anything I'm relatively more pessimistic/less optimistic.

**Captain Offense** · 04-30-2019, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus

I wasn't doing that.

I think we mostly agree, and if anything I'm relatively more pessimistic/less optimistic.

Full disclosure - I am not a fan of this type of Offense for several different reasons. I just hope that they succeed and that Lamar progresses well. Right now, I can only hope.

**Bhcforlife** · 04-30-2019, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by signore

If I want to watch OU's college offense at the pro level I might as well get tickets for Towson's games-a college offense and much less expensive.

Most successful offenses in the league today, whether it is the Patriots or the Chiefs or the Rams or whoever else, are incorporating a lot of college elements...if you don't like it, you should probably look into another hobby...I mean the league isn't going back to how offense was played 20-30 years ago.

**Kyle Cactus** · 04-30-2019, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Offense

Full disclosure - I am not a fan of this type of Offense for several different reasons. I just hope that they succeed and that Lamar progresses well. Right now, I can only hope.

Then maybe we're similarly pessimistic/optimistic! I don't mind our trying to do something different on offense. If it remains dependent on tons of designed runs for Jackson, then it will only deliver short-term success. But if we can get more out of the passing game I think it could work. As you say, we can only hope.