OT: Fire Mark Turgeon

[PeterB58]

Except Lefty could really, really coach.

It's no shame to get beaten by Dean Smith. And Norm Sloan's teams at NC State cheated in '73.

The '73-'74 Terps finished 23-5 and ranked 4th in the country. It was probably Lefty's best team. But it didn't go to the NCAA tournament because of an arcane rule back then that only the ACC tournament winner could qualify. The Terps lost to NC State in the ACC tournament final in a legendary overtime game 103-100 (and remember that this happened in an era before the shot clock and the the 3-point shot).

I believe the next year they opened up the NCAA tournament to at-large bids.

[esmd]

Nah Gary for sure left of his own accord.

Maybe so, but I think it's not a coincidence at all that he retired less than a year after Anderson was hired:

9/4/2010 - Kevin Anderson hired
5/5/2011 - Gary Williams retires

I'm telling you, Kevin Anderson and Wallace Loh have damn near ruined U of MD men's basketball and football. For all the UA and Big10 money (that IIRC isn't really all that much more than they'd have gotten if they'd stayed in the ACC), football is still a bottom feeder, and basketball has gone from a perennial ACC powerhouse to a Big-10 also-ran. It's a real shame.

[PeterB58]

Maybe so, but I think it's not a coincidence at all that he retired less than a year after Anderson was hired:

9/4/2010 - Kevin Anderson hired
5/5/2011 - Gary Williams retires

I'm telling you, Kevin Anderson and Wallace Loh have damn near ruined U of MD men's basketball and football. For all the UA and Big10 money (that IIRC isn't really all that much more than they'd have gotten if they'd stayed in the ACC), football is still a bottom feeder, and basketball has gone from a perennial ACC powerhouse to a Big-10 also-ran. It's a real shame.

Not going to argue with you about Anderson and Loh...but don't forget Debbie Yow, either:

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/...land-athletics

[esmd]

What a mess.

[JimZipCode]

The '73-'74 Terps finished 23-5 and ranked 4th in the country. It was probably Lefty's best team. But it didn't go to the NCAA tournament because of an arcane rule back then that only the ACC tournament winner could qualify. The Terps lost to NC State in the ACC tournament final in a legendary overtime game 103-100 (and remember that this happened in an era before the shot clock and the the 3-point shot).

I believe the next year they opened up the NCAA tournament to at-large bids.

All true. The kicker is, later it was discovered that NC St had committed recruiting violations during that time period.

Lefty got fucked, basically.

And then there's Mike Gminsky, of course.

[PeterB58]

And then there's Mike Gminsky, of course.

March 1, 1980. Kenny Dennard undercutting Buck Williams at the buzzer. 'member that?!

I do...can see it in my mind's eye like yesterday.

March 1, 1980 -- Duke 73, No. 7 Maryland 72: If you want to know where (the MD fan animosity towards Duke) all began, you need to travel back nearly (40) years and picture Terps forward Buck Williams -- knees bent, arms raised -- standing under the basket, poised to snag an offensive rebound in the closing seconds of the Atlantic Coast Conference championship game against Duke at Greensboro (N.C.) Coliseum. Trailing by a point, Albert King takes a turnaround jump shot from 18 feet, and the ball bounces high off the rim, then hits the rim again on the way down before trickling off. What happened next has been debated ever since.

"Everyone felt like [Duke forward] Kenny Dennard undercut Buck," said Jack Zane, who was Maryland's sports information director for nearly 20 years. "But there was no foul call."

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs...116-story.html

The ACC tournament was such a rigged contest against the non-Carolina teams.

No foul here: 53335.JPG (gotta love the official staring right at the play, too.)

[Raveninwoodlawn]

Turge may be the worst coach we've ever had. I'm not lying...that includes Wade.

This guy has got a 20+ year track record of mediocrity with no major success.
-20+ years with one...ONE conference championship (regular season or tournament).
-Not a single time has he made a conference tourney final.
-Only twice has he made it out of the first weekend out the NCAA tournament and then lost the Sweet 16 game.
-He's made the tournament only half the time in his 8 years here at MD.
-Only once has he beaten a higher seed in a given tournament.
-0-5 his last 5 postseason games.
-1 and what...27 against ranked teams on the road?
-Recruits players that would rather play in Europe than stay at MD.
-Worst B1G tournament winning percentage in the conference despite routinely being a top 4 seed since he's been here and the only B1G team not to win a conference tourney game the last 3 years.
-Every year one of the worst in all of D1 in turning the ball over while not forcing them on defense...to the tune of a -542 turnover margin since he's been here.
-Marketly worse the second go round in conference play which leads to belief that he is easily scouted and doesn't make adjustments to opponents adjustments

MARK TURGEON vs. BIG TEN
Overall since 2014: 60-37 (61.9%)
First time through: 44-22 (66.7%)
Repeat matchups: 16-15 (51.6%)

2018-2019
12-7
9-4 vs. teams in first/only matchups
3-3 vs. teams in repeat matchups

2017-2018
8-11 incl. Big Ten tourney
7-6 vs. teams in first/only matchups
1-5 vs. teams in repeat matchups

2016-2017
12-7 incl. Big Ten tourney
9-4 vs. teams in first/only matchups
3-3 vs. teams in repeat matchups

2015-2016
13-7 incl. Big Ten tourney
9-4 vs. teams in first/only matchups
4-3 vs. teams in repeat matchups

2014-2015
15-5 incl. Big Ten tourney
10-4 vs. teams in first/only matchups
5-1 vs. teams in repeat matchups

Please note, the 2 current best coaches, Izzo and Belien have better records second time around.

That's just some number quantifiable things that say he's mediocre at best Props to IMS for many of those stats/numbers, best Terp sports board out there bar none!). The eye test is even worse...even most wins are stressful, confusing, frustrating and not enjoyable.

We are probably stuck with this guy due to the cover of the football program tragedy and lack of cash...and Anderson's ridiculous contract where the bozo didn't include a buyout...making Turge's contract fully guaranteed, every cent of every year.

But this program has a low cieling...too low for a program with MD history. No, we aren't won't ever be Duke/UNC/UK/KU. But you can't tell me we can't be Michigan State, Louisville, or Arizona if we just got our shit together and hired the right coach.

[ninetysixer]

Terps never change under Turgeon. Lost to 13th seed Nebraska in the Big 10 Tournament. A team with six scholarship players.

But thanks to Turgeon's contract being guaranteed through 2022 and the trainwreck that is Terps football, he is almost a lock to be back.

who is paying his buyout?

[Raveninwoodlawn]

who is paying his buyout?

He doesn't have one. Anderson gave him a fully 100% guaranteed contract.

[xiao_ke]

He doesn't have one. Anderson gave him a fully 100% guaranteed contract.

And thanks to DJ Durkin wrecking the football program, Turgeon is safe unless he commits some major NCAA violations.

[jimmypowder]

If the Turd loses the first NCAA Tournament game with a lackluster performance he had better be fired.

[ravenfever]

Keep this in perspective comparing Williams/Turgeon, in 2009-2010 Gary took a team that really had nobody but Grevious Vasquez, Eric Hayes & maybe Jordan Williams but he was a freshman. They finished 24-9 that year, it just shows how Gary took a team of no names except for Vasquez and got every ounce of talent out of them. Same team with Turgeon would have been lucky to finish 500 that year.

Gary would have taken the 2013-14 team with Mitchell, Cleare, Seth Allen, Layman, Faust, Wells, Smytrich to at least 22-25 wins, that team had talent but was coached incorrectly. Turgeon may be able to find talent but then fails as a coach to know strength & weaknesses of the players.