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    Ozzie on Lamar

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2517317...mpression=true

    “What you saw in Sundays and Saturday was what you saw at Louisville,” Newsome said. “It’s all part of the process, going forward. We’ve got to do a better job of supporting him and giving him the resources that will help him succeed.”

    Newsome expects that a strong offseason developing under offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg (who once helped resurrect Michael Vick’s career with the Eagles) and personnel moves to complement Jackson are essential. His role in aiding the process, though, is to be determined.
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    "We’ve got to do a better job of supporting him and giving him the resources that will help him succeed.”

    yeah I've seen how that plays out in baltimore...

    "We need a few more pieces on defense and we'll be fine"
    Burn it down





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    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    "We’ve got to do a better job of supporting him and giving him the resources that will help him succeed.”

    yeah I've seen how that plays out in baltimore...

    "We need a few more pieces on defense and we'll be fine"
    There's a new sheriff in town named Decosta. I am concerned about the Marty commentary, but that could be just a "for now" statement.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenIsh View Post
    There's a new sheriff in town named Decosta. I am concerned about the Marty commentary, but that could be just a "for now" statement.
    I think if we were going to fire MM we would have done so already. Although I do believe he is awful at situational playcalling, I also believe he isn't as bad as it seems Most of the time it comes down to executing and I don't care how good a play call is, if you don't execute it won't work.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensFanMania View Post
    I think if we were going to fire MM we would have done so already. Although I do believe he is awful at situational playcalling, I also believe he isn't as bad as it seems Most of the time it comes down to executing and I don't care how good a play call is, if you don't execute it won't work.
    I also believe if MM was going to be fired he would have already ... that’s the way the Ravens organization is.. they would have fired him immediately and gave some lame excuse to be nice to MM and wish him well in whatever he wanted to do or wherever he wanted to go.... so I believe next year their is absolutely no change in the coaching staff at all... the only thing that changes is Flacco not being a Raven and that we draft and get free agents ... I even look for the Ravens trying to keep everyone on our current roster if they can get them at a reasonable price regardless of how they played this year... that is just the way the Ravens are...





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    Re: Ozzie on Lamar

    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    "We’ve got to do a better job of supporting him and giving him the resources that will help him succeed.”

    yeah I've seen how that plays out in baltimore...

    "We need a few more pieces on defense and we'll be fine"
    funny, but sad at the same time.

    I think the OL could use some upgrades, but otherwise Id say he has the tools around him right now, he just needs to be better to utilize them. I expect multiple OL taken in this draft.
    -JAB





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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    funny, but sad at the same time.

    I think the OL could use some upgrades, but otherwise Id say he has the tools around him right now, he just needs to be better to utilize them. I expect multiple OL taken in this draft.
    the current list of skill players is above what we are used to accepting here, but I still dont think they are playoff and championship quality. I wouldnt expect Joe, Lamar or any QB to win with this cast outside of maybe a healthy Rodgers
    Burn it down





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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleo&Dilly View Post
    Its TOO BAD they didn't think of this with Joe - what a radical concept - build your team around your quarterback - INSTEAD of around your coach's ego!
    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I think the OL could use some upgrades, but otherwise Id say he has the tools around him right now, he just needs to be better to utilize them.
    I would argue that they did build the team around Flacco's play-acdtion, big arm style of play. And for the most part those are still the players here, who are not well suited for the kind of offense they need to run to get the most out of Lamar. They need linemen who can move their feet, and move the pile (e.g., Zeus Jr.s linemate at Oklahoma, Cody Ford) and they need stronger, more compact, twitchier receivers who can block, quickly get separation, and excel at YAC. Only Snead and Moore fit that description, and possibly Lasley right now. Crabtree takes forever to come out of breaks and Brown needs time to beat guys deep. They also need Dixon to tap his pass catching skills more than he showed this year...he is adept as a pass catcher, but needs to commit to the program.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleo&Dilly View Post
    Ever since Joe came on the scene (and to a degree prior to that - with guys like Tony Banks) the Ravens have been trying to find the right black quarterback - so they drafted quys like Troy Smith, Tyrod Taylor and Keenan Reynolds (I know they supposedly drafted him as a wide receiver) - only to have Joe consistently out play them. So at the end of his career they tried one more time - with Lamar. I guess they got their wish
    I'm embarrassed for you, making such a dumb and racist statement.

    The only black quarterback on your list brought in after Joe was Tyrod. He was a sixth round pick who never got a start in Baltimore--hardly the scenario supporting the idea they wanted to supplant Joe with a black QB. Why would they make Joe the highest paid QB in the league when he resigned if they secretly didn't like his skin color? That's nonsense. If Joe hadn't underplayed his contract, they would have never drafted Lamar, and Joe would be getting another extension.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    I would argue that they did build the team around Flacco's play-acdtion, big arm style of play. And for the most part those are still the players here, who are not well suited for the kind of offense they need to run to get the most out of Lamar. They need linemen who can move their feet, and move the pile (e.g., Zeus Jr.s linemate at Oklahoma, Cody Ford) and they need stronger, more compact, twitchier receivers who can block, quickly get separation, and excel at YAC. Only Snead and Moore fit that description, and possibly Lasley right now. Crabtree takes forever to come out of breaks and Brown needs time to beat guys deep. They also need Dixon to tap his pass catching skills more than he showed this year...he is adept as a pass catcher, but needs to commit to the program.
    Im glad to see you posting more Shas.

    Id argue in that sense that Joe could have really used twitchy YAC WRs the last few years as well. As a core I think he has everything he needs. He does have those types available, but he also has a possesion WR and a deep threat. while he may lean more on those other types, I think any WR core still needs to have those other types to A) keep a defense honest B) gameplan to match weaknesses that vary.

    I think this team has everything he needs. your point about the OL id mostly agree with. I think we could use some upgrades there, but i look at his 8 games and come away feeling the OL played pretty darn well minus 1 game. I dont think theyre entirely the problem either. partially because they pass blocked relatively well at the beginning of the year, and when Jackson was throwing in those other 7 games, they did pretty well too. I think the chargers had a good game plan and good players and we werent ready for it.
    -JAB





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    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    "We’ve got to do a better job of supporting him and giving him the resources that will help him succeed.”
    Lol. The rest of the quote was left out:

    "If our defense had a few more playmakers, we would have held the Chargers under 17. That's the kind of support Lamar should expect next year."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2517317...mpression=true

    “What you saw in Sundays and Saturday was what you saw at Louisville,” Newsome said. “It’s all part of the process, going forward. We’ve got to do a better job of supporting him and giving him the resources that will help him succeed.”

    Newsome expects that a strong offseason developing under offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg (who once helped resurrect Michael Vick’s career with the Eagles) and personnel moves to complement Jackson are essential. His role in aiding the process, though, is to be determined.



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    Its TOO BAD they didn't think of this with Joe - what a radical concept - build your team around your quarterback - INSTEAD of around your coach's ego!

    I think I have finely figured out why they didn't do this. A lot of people won't like the answer. Ever since Joe came on the scene (and to a degree prior to that - with guys like Tony Banks) the Ravens have been trying to find the right black quarterback - so they drafted quys like Troy Smith, Tyrod Taylor and Keenan Reynolds (I know they supposedly drafted him as a wide receiver) - only to have Joe consistently out play them. So at the end of his career they tried one more time - with Lamar. I guess they got their wish
    Last edited by Cleo&Dilly; 01-10-2019 at 02:14 PM.





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    Re: Ozzie on Lamar

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleo&Dilly View Post
    Its TOO BAD they didn't think of this with Joe - what a radical concept - build your team around your quarterback - INSTEAD of around your coach's ego!

    I think I have finely figured out why they didn't do this. A lot of people won't like the answer. Ever since Joe came on the scene (and to a degree prior to that - with guys like Tony Banks) the Ravens have been trying to find the right black quarterback - so they drafted quys like Troy Smith, Tyrod Taylor and Keenan Reynolds (I know they supposedly drafted him as a wide receiver) - only to have Joe consistently out play them. So at the end of his career they tried one more time - with Lamar. I guess they got their wish
    I dont think the race of the qb has anything to do with which QB they want to develop. If they ever change their philosophy on being ridiculously hell bent on only catering to the defense.... it will be because ticket sales drop because the team is mediocre or irrelevant in the modern game
    Burn it down





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