US pledges $10.6B aid for Central America, southern Mexico

**CarrollCoRaven** · 12-19-2018, 10:24 PM

This kind of shit pisses me off. We can't find 5 billion for a wall but we can fork out over 10 billion to the countries who send us all of their illegals. UFB.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.29671f97d634

**Laxdad24** · 12-19-2018, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven

This kind of shit pisses me off. We can't find 5 billion for a wall but we can fork out over 10 billion to the countries who send us all of their illegals. UFB.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.29671f97d634

Screw the wall. How bout 5billion for Veterans health care. ? Maybe put a dent in the homeless problem here? Fricken Gov. !!!!

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**Mista T** · 12-19-2018, 11:38 PM

I'd like to see both the $5B for the wall and the
$10B for Central America.

The wall to keep us safer from terrorists slipping in with the illegals who include criminals and otherwise show disrespect for our immigration laws. My grandparents, Dad, uncle, cousins etc. all immigrated to the USA legally. Why should the Central Americans get away with it? This is just another scam by Commie Sorous & Democrats to pack the voting booths.

Aid to Central America, if properly invested, can hopefully help these countries improve their living standards and mitigate gang violence, to hopefully reduce the desire of Central Americans to trek across Mexico to try to slip across the border.

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**usmccharles** · 12-20-2018, 01:52 AM

Or use that money to fix the homeless issue in America. How many vacant places are there in Detroit? Baltimore? Chiraq? There's so much stuff at home that I think we should fix, I know America is about helping others without, but what about the without in America

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**blah3** · 12-20-2018, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mista T

I'd like to see both the $5B for the wall and the
$10B for Central America.

The wall to keep us safer from terrorists slipping in with the illegals who include criminals and otherwise show disrespect for our immigration laws. My grandparents, Dad, uncle, cousins etc. all immigrated to the USA legally. Why should the Central Americans get away with it? This is just another scam by Commie Sorous & Democrats to pack the voting booths.

Aid to Central America, if properly invested, can hopefully help these countries improve their living standards and mitigate gang violence, to hopefully reduce the desire of Central Americans to trek across Mexico to try to slip across the border.

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Originally Posted by usmccharles

Or use that money to fix the homeless issue in America. How many vacant places are there in Detroit? Baltimore? Chiraq? There's so much stuff at home that I think we should fix, I know America is about helping others without, but what about the without in America

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I understand the sentiment, but you simply cannot eliminate poverty by giving money away.

**usmccharles** · 12-20-2018, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

I understand the sentiment, but you simply cannot eliminate poverty by giving money away.

Never said to just give it away

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**blah3** · 12-20-2018, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by usmccharles

Never said to just give it away

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So how exactly are you 'helping' the homeless? You are simply giving them a place to live.

**Laxdad24** · 12-20-2018, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

So how exactly are you 'helping' the homeless? You are simply giving them a place to live.

Lots of ways. Decent shelters would be a start. Then if they use the shelters they have to attend job training. Clean em up and send them to interviews. I can’t say all but I’d venture that most homeless just want a job and a decent place to live. Many have additional issues which they are gonna need help with. A lot are Vets dealing with PTSD. Helping hand doesn’t mean a hand out.

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**usmccharles** · 12-20-2018, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

So how exactly are you 'helping' the homeless? You are simply giving them a place to live.

I was using the vacants as a starting point. Yes it would take money to fix them up so maybe not the best starting point.

Programs take money. According to a couple google searches, most reports have the homeless population in the U.S. just under 600k. Creating a program to help each homeless person with say 10k would come out to 6B if we just round up to the 600k mark. I dont mean just hand a homeless person 10k. In this city alone when i go down town, there is trash everywhere and im going to guess there is like issues in other major cities, ie baltimore, chicago, detroit, miami, etc. Even just offering jobs to pick up trash for X amount of dollars hourly would be somewhere to start. So while the streets of the country are getting clean we might be able to help get people back on their feet. Picking up trash is just one example.

Obviously there is issues with drug and alcohol addiction, not to mention mental illnesses and just plain medical issues. This is diving deeper into an issue that i dont know much about but would gladly listen and learn from anyone here that could break things down for me to better understand. Also not every homeless person wants to be helped as i have found out first hand.

I just dont think "not having the money" is a good excuse considering what this country spends its money on. There is numerous prior military here (and current i think) and i know for a fact there is GSs and DOD contactors here that could attest to the amount of insanely irresponisble use of money. I could give disgusting example from first hand experience.

The National Science foundation (NSF) granted yale 200k to find out if Wikipedia is sexist

Quarter mill to train 60 syrian rebels

Sorry, just woke up, but feel free to tear apart what i just said and help me udnerstand it better.

**blah3** · 12-20-2018, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Laxdad24

Lots of ways. Decent shelters would be a start. Then if they use the shelters they have to attend job training. Clean em up and send them to interviews. I can’t say all but I’d venture that most homeless just want a job and a decent place to live. Many have additional issues which they are gonna need help with. A lot are Vets dealing with PTSD. Helping hand doesn’t mean a hand out.

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Originally Posted by usmccharles

I was using the vacants as a starting point. Yes it would take money to fix them up so maybe not the best starting point.

Programs take money. According to a couple google searches, most reports have the homeless population in the U.S. just under 600k. Creating a program to help each homeless person with say 10k would come out to 6B if we just round up to the 600k mark. I dont mean just hand a homeless person 10k. In this city alone when i go down town, there is trash everywhere and im going to guess there is like issues in other major cities, ie baltimore, chicago, detroit, miami, etc. Even just offering jobs to pick up trash for X amount of dollars hourly would be somewhere to start. So while the streets of the country are getting clean we might be able to help get people back on their feet. Picking up trash is just one example.

Obviously there is issues with drug and alcohol addiction, not to mention mental illnesses and just plain medical issues. This is diving deeper into an issue that i dont know much about but would gladly listen and learn from anyone here that could break things down for me to better understand. Also not every homeless person wants to be helped as i have found out first hand.

I just dont think "not having the money" is a good excuse considering what this country spends its money on. There is numerous prior military here (and current i think) and i know for a fact there is GSs and DOD contactors here that could attest to the amount of insanely irresponisble use of money. I could give disgusting example from first hand experience.

Sorry, just woke up, but feel free to tear apart what i just said and help me udnerstand it better.

Listen I understand the desire to help out, but I really don't think resources is the issue with homelessness. I believe that most of the homeless want to live there. Or they have serious mental issues, and they will rebel against addressing those.
The issue in foreign third world nations is often their own govt being corrupt. So we can give them all the money, and they are simply going to use it for their own means. It's a lack of freedom that is keeping people in poverty in those instance. Being from corrcupt govt or thugs that simply take from the people by force. Redistribution of wealth simply will not stop poverty.

**cjandrze** · 12-20-2018, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

Listen I understand the desire to help out, but I really don't think resources is the issue with homelessness. I believe that most of the homeless want to live there. Or they have serious mental issues, and they will rebel against addressing those.
The issue in foreign third world nations is often their own govt being corrupt. So we can give them all the money, and they are simply going to use it for their own means. It's a lack of freedom that is keeping people in poverty in those instance. Being from corrcupt govt or thugs that simply take from the people by force. Redistribution of wealth simply will not stop poverty.

I have to agree regarding the 3rd world country corruption.

We've watched that play out countless times in the past and the money is ALWAYS misappropriated.

**usmccharles** · 12-20-2018, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

Listen I understand the desire to help out, but I really don't think resources is the issue with homelessness. I believe that most of the homeless want to live there. Or they have serious mental issues, and they will rebel against addressing those.
The issue in foreign third world nations is often their own govt being corrupt. So we can give them all the money, and they are simply going to use it for their own means. It's a lack of freedom that is keeping people in poverty in those instance. Being from corrcupt govt or thugs that simply take from the people by force. Redistribution of wealth simply will not stop poverty.

OK, but im talking here, not foreign third world countries. Giving money to corrupt governments is exactly what im talking about not doing, or did we have a miss-communication?

Im sure a lot of the homeless say they dont want help because of what they have heard in the past and seen no action. Im sure some of their tones would be different if you they were told here is place to stay, 3 meals a day, a job to help get you on your feet with resources to help you if/when you need it. Even if you help 20% (120k) is a huge chance in society and would give hope to others and maybe follow a long.

Not to mention, now you have over 100k more people working and spending money in the economy.

There is smarter people on this board to talk about this though