Best choice for Ravens

**ERey** · 12-13-2018, 06:09 PM

Other: Try to trade Joe after the season ends. Lamar is the starter going into 2019. RG3 is the backup.

**organizedchaos21** · 12-13-2018, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Goode05

No I don’t believe it does

Don't the contracts of veterans become guaranteed if they're on the roster for week 1? Wasn't that why the Ravens cut (and re-signed) Forsett in 2015?

edit: I'm not 100% certain here (Brian would be a good person to ask), but I don't see anything about the cap hit in the (incredibly awful) language. The guarantee may not count against the cap (but the team would still have to pay Joe his entire 2019 salary if he makes the 53-man and stays on it through the first game). The full requirements:

Originally Posted by CBA

ARTICLE 30
TERMINATION PAY
Section 1. Eligibility:

Any player who has completed the season in which his fourth year or more of credited service under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Retirement Plan has been earned shall be eligible for Termination Pay under this Article if:

He is released after his Club’s first regular season game; and
He has made the Active/Inactive List of his Club on or after the date of his Club’s first regular season game.
Subject to Section 3 below, the amount of Termination Pay payable to such player shall be the unpaid balance of his Paragraph 5 Salary for that League Year. Termination Pay under this Article shall be claimed and payable no sooner than one day after the end of the regular season schedule, and no later than February 1. A player will not be entitled to Termination Pay more than once during his playing career in the NFL.

edit 2: Seems that Termination Pay does count against the cap

Originally Posted by CBA

Article 13, Section 5
(d) Termination Pay. Any type of Termination Pay liability will be included in Team Salary at the time the player is released, except to the extent the Team is relieved of any such liability.

**RavensDFan** · 12-13-2018, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Shrubbs

I almost hope he goes to DC just so the guy doesn't have to pack up his whole family and move. Like the dude has a life here. I know he's a millionaire and he's a player and that's what he signs up for, but I hope the chips fall in such a way that he doesn't have to totally abandon his life he's built.

He has a life in Jersey. He could go to the Giants.

**brown2RAVEN** · 12-13-2018, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Goode05

No I don’t believe it does

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I honestly don't know. I know if a vet starts after the first game its not usually guaranteed, so if he starts before it is? May depend on specific contract.
anyhow its not a horrible deal for either side. Obviously Flacco would want more cash up front, but a good faith "renegotiate or cut me after one year" agreement may have to do.

**Corvus Corax** · 12-13-2018, 09:45 PM

Wait for the season to play itself out. There's no rush.

**WrongBaldy** · 12-14-2018, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by blueridgemtnman

Care to list them?

imnot a stupid gm so i dont know

**ClericBlackDave** · 12-14-2018, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

No one is putting $26 million in cap space for a backup. Honestly I can't see any team trading for him with that contract but you there is no rush. Keep trying through the draft.

Statements like this are just silly, because Flacco is a starter in this league. If you think he's not, you need to look around at the non top quarterback play. When Winston stinks out in Tampa but they are still kicking that around despite his sexual assault and other moral offenses, it tells you a lot about the league.

Flacco is an uneven quarterback, but he can put together a game to beat the Steelers, or the Patriots Etc something that a lot of guys getting chances right now have never proven they are even capable of

Giants would take him in a heartbeat and Odell Beckham jr. Would be immediately guaranteed bounce back year with his ability to track down deep balls

Simply put there are at least 5 to 10 teams who will have interest in Flacco

This is also why it is super likely that we trade him and get at least a second or third, easily

**carrollcountyraven** · 12-14-2018, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave

Flacco is an uneven quarterback, but he can put together a game to beat the Steelers, or the Patriots Etc something that a lot of guys getting chances right now have never proven they are even capable of

Giants would take him in a heartbeat and Odell Beckham jr. Would be immediately guaranteed bounce back year with his ability to track down deep balls

Simply put there are at least 5 to 10 teams who will have interest in Flacco

This is also why it is super likely that we trade him and get at least a second or third, easily

^^^this

**BigPlayReceiver** · 12-14-2018, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

No one is putting $26 million in cap space for a backup. Honestly I can't see any team trading for him with that contract but you there is no rush. Keep trying through the draft.

He would be someone's starter I'm thinking, but if Joe & Joe agree to it, can't another club spread that $26m how they want?

**Bhcforlife** · 12-14-2018, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave

This is also why it is super likely that we trade him and get at least a second or third, easily

As I said before, Alex Smith coming off an MVP type of year only netted a third rounder in draft compensation (along with CB Fuller). I don't know why you would expect to get better compensation for a Joe Flacco who objectively hasn't been a consistently good player since 2014. Especially since the rest of the league is going to know that the Ravens want to get rid of him for future cap purposes. I think bmorecareful said a 4th rounder and to me that is optimum if you get a couple teams interested. I still feel like the compensation, if he's traded, will be lower than that even.

**Dirt1** · 12-14-2018, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Bhcforlife

As I said before, Alex Smith coming off an MVP type of year only netted a third rounder in draft compensation (along with CB Fuller). I don't know why you would expect to get better compensation for a Joe Flacco who objectively hasn't been a consistently good player since 2014. Especially since the rest of the league is going to know that the Ravens want to get rid of him for future cap purposes. I think bmorecareful said a 4th rounder and to me that is optimum if you get a couple teams interested. I still feel like the compensation, if he's traded, will be lower than that even.

All you would need is 2-3 teams who have serious interest in Flacco. That would be enough to drive his value up. He may be the best option available after this season, and there are more teams than that who will need a starting QB.

**wickedsolo** · 12-14-2018, 10:17 AM

I really do think that there will be a market for Joe's services. He's still a capable QB with the right pieces around him and I think there are a few teams that make some sense. However, I'd only cut him if I couldn't trade him.

The NY Giants make a lot of sense to me. Also, Joe being from NJ, could look at the Giants as a really nice spot to end his career. He gets to go there and throw to OBJ and hand off to Saquon Barkley. Joe makes the Giants competitive again in 2019.

I think Tampa will hang onto Jameis Winston, but if they don't, I could see them being interested in Joe.

I also think Jacksonville could be very interested in Joe.