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10-19-2018, 12:54 PM #85Hall Of Fame Poster
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I disagree. His first 3 years in San Diego were below average but by year 4 he was very good with 27 td's and 7 int with about 3k yards and a 104 qb rating with 65% completion percentage and made his first pro bowl. Year 5, his last in SD he had 24 td's 15 int with about 3500 yards and an 89 qb rating. At that point SD had already drafted Rivers in 2004 before Brees had his breakout year with 27 td's etc..so there was the feeling that Brees within the organization within the first 3 years that Brees was not their guy then he has two very good years and then hurts his shoulder and they decided to move on with Rivers. Now nobody expected Brees to become what he did with NO but to say that it is scheme and Sean payton is not a good argument to discount Brees' accomplishments. That scheme and offense would not be effective with many other quarterbacks because of execution. You cant put joey Harrington in that offense and have him perform to Brees' level.
And you cant overlook motivation here either. Brees was a guy who thought he had proven himself in SD and they turned him away, then Miami turned him away and NO takes a chance on him, the man has a tenacious personality and was determined to prove the chargers and everyone else wrong, that can go a long way. Its the same with Brady as a 6th round pick. That is motivating for someone with the right personality.
The whole scheme thing or dome thing to me is a lazy argument to try to take away from his career and it doesnt hold weight with me. Tom Brady has played with Mcdaniels for a large part of his career (and his best years) nobody says that it is solely because of mcdaniels. Peyton is another story because he was the offensive coordinator in his prime. Has playing with Payton helped Brees? Sure but its not the chief reason why Brees has done what he has done imho
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10-19-2018, 12:56 PM #86Veteran Poster
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He had good weapons but not really a great offensive line.
Especially by the end of the time with the Colts. If you want to see a masterclass in how a QB can mitigate the effects of a leaky line, Manning is the guy.
Manning also really re-introduced the idea that the QB can call plays and put the defense in bad situations by calling audibles every play. Manning is a true field general. Brees developed those skills later, but his success is mostly due to running and executing Peyton's play call.
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10-19-2018, 12:57 PM #87Veteran Poster
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10-19-2018, 12:59 PM #88Veteran Poster
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10-19-2018, 01:01 PM #89
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Something I wish the Ravens would have done. It just makes sense. Brees has some mobility to him, but is largely a pocket passing QB. If you're going to build your offense around a QB, build to his strengths and make him the focal point. Payton did that immediately. Here, the defense was the focal point, so I understood them not doing it right away. However, as the defense aged, we just never saw the transition. Brees has good movement in the pocket and just needs a deep pocket to step into his throws. So, they keep a high quality interior line in front of him. Flacco is not as mobile, but another pocket passer who needs interior pressure out of his face. These things should be basic.
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10-19-2018, 01:03 PM #90
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However, much like with Tom Brady, the system allowed for Manning to make the offensive line look better than it was. It was a simplistic system with Manning's smoke and mirror. Death by a thousand slants and comebacks, setting up the slant-and-go, stop-and-go and out-and-up.
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10-19-2018, 01:05 PM #91Hall Of Fame Poster
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Exellent point! It is such a difficult argument. Brady makes it easy because he has stats and hardware but football is a game with so many elements. Coaching is more crucial in football than any other of the top sports. Personally I considered Marino the GOAT when I watched him play in the early 90's but I was also a kid albeit a kid that understood football so take that with a grain of salt. But I have never really fully been on board with the hardware argument although I understand it. As far as Marino goes I totally get why people say well he doesnt have a ring ok but what chaps my ass is that nowadays the argument has turned into "well he ONLY has one ring" ok and that is a championship (did it with Peyton for mosy of his career and thats a knock against Brees now and may be for Rodgers very soon) I think that comes from Brady spoiling us and making the thought that to be the GOAT you have to have several. Again I think it depends on team, coaching, talent around the guy (as we see with joe)so for that I am not one to say hardware is the be all end all.
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10-19-2018, 01:09 PM #92Veteran Poster
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No it's not the system, it's the QB's intelligence and ability to read what the defense is doing based on their formation. Then calling the correct play or making an adjustment.
It is a skill that those QB's developed. Most NFL QB's now at least can do this somewhat, even rookies coming in.
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10-19-2018, 01:11 PM #93Hall Of Fame Poster
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10-19-2018, 01:13 PM #94Veteran Poster
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10-19-2018, 03:03 PM #96
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Does it involve cursing at his RB for failing to pick up the blitzing LB? (Colts-Ravens playoff game, click at your own peril)
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