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    Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Down and distance Concept Result
    1st and 10 Outside zone 19 yard gain
    2nd and 10 Outside zone 9 yard gain
    4th and 1 QB sneak 2 yard gain
    1st and 10 Inside zone 3 yard gain
    2nd and 3 Outside zone 2 yard loss
    1st and 10 Outside zone 16 yard gain
    1st and 2 Trap 0 yard gain
    1st and 10 Outside zone 2 yard loss
    1st and 10 Trap 2 yard gain
    1st and 10 Trap 0 yard gain
    1st and 5 Power 3 yard loss
    2nd and 8 Outside zone 17 yard gain
    1st and 10 Power 3 yard gain
    3rd and 2 Zone read 3 yard gain
    2nd and 5 Draw 2 yard gain
    1st and 5 Inside Zone 6 yard gain
    1st and 10 Scramble by 11 yard gain
    1st and 10 Trap 0 yard gain
    2nd and 10 Outside Zone 0 yard gain
    1st and 10 Outside Zone (pitch) 3 yard loss
    1st and 10 Trick play 13 yard gain
    2nd and 2 Trap 6 yard gain
    2nd and 10 Outside Zone 6 yard gain
    1st and 10 Inside zone 17 yard gain (Penalty on Chris Moore)
    1st and 16 Power 4 yard gain

    Stole this from Beatdown's film review by Logan Levey https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/20...ar-jackson-nfl

    It's interesting to see powers and traps not being as good given tis' the staple of Roman's unique scheme.

    Outside zones worked quite effectively.

    Overall, just not enough consistency it seems. too many 0-3 yard gains to really get it going.
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    Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    Down and distance Concept Result
    1st and 10 Outside zone 19 yard gain
    2nd and 10 Outside zone 9 yard gain
    4th and 1 QB sneak 2 yard gain
    1st and 10 Inside zone 3 yard gain
    2nd and 3 Outside zone 2 yard loss
    1st and 10 Outside zone 16 yard gain
    1st and 2 Trap 0 yard gain
    1st and 10 Outside zone 2 yard loss
    1st and 10 Trap 2 yard gain
    1st and 10 Trap 0 yard gain
    1st and 5 Power 3 yard loss
    2nd and 8 Outside zone 17 yard gain
    1st and 10 Power 3 yard gain
    3rd and 2 Zone read 3 yard gain
    2nd and 5 Draw 2 yard gain
    1st and 5 Inside Zone 6 yard gain
    1st and 10 Scramble by 11 yard gain
    1st and 10 Trap 0 yard gain
    2nd and 10 Outside Zone 0 yard gain
    1st and 10 Outside Zone (pitch) 3 yard loss
    1st and 10 Trick play 13 yard gain
    2nd and 2 Trap 6 yard gain
    2nd and 10 Outside Zone 6 yard gain
    1st and 10 Inside zone 17 yard gain (Penalty on Chris Moore)
    1st and 16 Power 4 yard gain

    Stole this from Beatdown's film review by Logan Levey https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/20...ar-jackson-nfl

    It's interesting to see powers and traps not being as good given tis' the staple of Roman's unique scheme.

    Outside zones worked quite effectively.

    Overall, just not enough consistency it seems. too many 0-3 yard gains to really get it going.
    Would be interesting to see the box counts on all of them. Running on 1st and 10 into a 8+ man front is like giving the defense a free down.





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    Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Would be interesting to see the box counts on all of them. Running on 1st and 10 into a 8+ man front is like giving the defense a free down.
    Not necessarily.

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    Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Not necessarily.

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  5. Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    I may be wrong, but I sense that this is Castillo/Moeller Part II. Two coaches with different styles and Harbaugh trying to mesh it together. During the Castillo/Moeller situation, Marshal Yanda actually came out publicly about the confusion along the offensive line during games. With some of the line blocking man and some blocking zone. Rhythm has been the word I've thrown around this year and other posters have carried it on in fun. However, another issue is symmetry. When everyone on your coaching staff isn't even of one mind, your players aren't going to be of one mind. It's just more mixed signals. Coach Harbaugh brought in Greg Roman to force the issue with the rush offense. Marty Mornhinweg's issue has never been incapability of putting together a good run scheme. It's been that he doesn't prioritize it. Meanwhile, John Harbaugh prioritizes running the ball over throwing the ball. So, from the Head Coach to the Offensive Coordinator, you already have philosophical friction. Then, you push Roman onto Mornhinweg. The rush offense looked better than the pass offense last season, but that was saying much. That bar was extremely low. Now, they actually have a competent passing offense, a significant improvement, but the rush offense hasn't improved.

    Personally, I also agree with the poster who said that the RBs are an issue as well. Alex Collins is not an inside trap runner. He's too indecisive for that. The zone stretch works better for him. The zone stretch doesn't work for Buck, because Buck lacks the burst.

    I want to believe that the line change the entire board has hoped for will change things, but my gut tells me that this starts from the top. It starts with the Front Office and then goes to the coaching staff.





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    Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon King Onaga View Post
    The rush offense looked better than the pass offense last season
    In fact Football Outsiders had us as the #7 rushing attack last year.
    And so that's evidence that the Roman/Morningwood styles don't work together.
    <shakes head>





  7. Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    In fact Football Outsiders had us as the #7 rushing attack last year.
    And so that's evidence that the Roman/Morningwood styles don't work together.
    <shakes head>
    I don't care about what Football Outsiders says.





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    Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    "Cap'n I have not seen the Ravens running game since 8 bells a fortnight ago!"





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    Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    I thought Buck had some really good grinding type runs. There was a lot of contact and he was pushing through it. If it was me I would have stuck with Buck more towards the end of the game.





  10. Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quarter Time Down To Go LoS Rusher Gain Concept Direction Hole
    1 15:00 1 10 BLT 25 A.Collins 19 outside zone left end
    1 14:10 2 10 BLT 44 A.Collins 9 outside zone right tackle
    1 13:10 4 1 CLV 47 J.Flacco 2 QB sneak middle center
    1 12:38 1 10 CLV 45 Javorius Allen 3 inside zone right guard
    1 01:30 2 3 CLV 49 A.Collins -2 outside zone left end
    2 12:26 1 10 CLV 35 A.Collins 16 outside zone left tackle
    2 09:50 1 2 CLV 2 Javorius Allen 0 trap left guard
    2 07:28 1 10 BLT 42 A.Collins -2 outside zone left tackle
    2 03:45 1 10 BLT 40 A.Collins 2 trp right guard
    3 11:45 1 10 BLT 20 A.Collins 0 trap right guard
    3 06:56 1 5 BLT 30 A.Collins -3 power right guard
    3 06:29 2 8 BLT 27 Javorius Allen 17 outside zone right end
    3 05:59 1 10 BLT 44 L.Jackson 3 power right guard
    3 02:45 3 2 CLV 17 L.Jackson 3 zone read right end
    3 01:29 2 5 CLV 9 Javorius Allen 2 draw right guard
    4 13:06 1 5 BLT 37 Javorius Allen 6 inside zone right guard
    4 09:19 1 10 BLT 26 J.Flacco 11 scramble right end
    4 08:45 1 10 BLT 37 Javorius Allen 0 trap left guard
    4 08:22 2 10 BLT 37 Javorius Allen 0 outside zone right end
    4 02:35 1 10 CLV 27 A.Collins -3 outside zone (pitch) right end
    4 00:05 1 10 BLT 45 A.Collins 13 trick play left end
    5 07:26 2 2 BLT 15 A.Collins 6 trap right guard
    5 06:43 2 10 BLT 21 Javorius Allen 6 outside zone right end
    5 05:29 1 10 BLT 47 A.Collins 4 (17) inside zone left tackle
    5 05:02 1 16 BLT 41 L.Jackson 4 power middle center

    Added some formatting to improve readability. Added timestamps to make filmwatching easier. Added LoS and rusher information. Added direction and hole as specified by NFL play-by-play.

    Might take a look at the film tonight to add # of defenders in box, but I'm not exactly jumping at the chance to rewatch the game. If someone else wants to do it, I can send you a spreadsheet/CSV version of the data to make recording easier.
    Shared Google Folder with Ravens spreadsheets, nextGen charts, and more! Please share my content! (attribution to Twitter requested)

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    Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quote Originally Posted by organizedchaos21 View Post
    Quarter Time Down To Go LoS Rusher Gain Concept Direction Hole
    1 15:00 1 10 BLT 25 A.Collins 19 outside zone left end
    1 14:10 2 10 BLT 44 A.Collins 9 outside zone right tackle
    1 13:10 4 1 CLV 47 J.Flacco 2 QB sneak middle center
    1 12:38 1 10 CLV 45 Javorius Allen 3 inside zone right guard
    1 01:30 2 3 CLV 49 A.Collins -2 outside zone left end
    2 12:26 1 10 CLV 35 A.Collins 16 outside zone left tackle
    2 09:50 1 2 CLV 2 Javorius Allen 0 trap left guard
    2 07:28 1 10 BLT 42 A.Collins -2 outside zone left tackle
    2 03:45 1 10 BLT 40 A.Collins 2 trp right guard
    3 11:45 1 10 BLT 20 A.Collins 0 trap right guard
    3 06:56 1 5 BLT 30 A.Collins -3 power right guard
    3 06:29 2 8 BLT 27 Javorius Allen 17 outside zone right end
    3 05:59 1 10 BLT 44 L.Jackson 3 power right guard
    3 02:45 3 2 CLV 17 L.Jackson 3 zone read right end
    3 01:29 2 5 CLV 9 Javorius Allen 2 draw right guard
    4 13:06 1 5 BLT 37 Javorius Allen 6 inside zone right guard
    4 09:19 1 10 BLT 26 J.Flacco 11 scramble right end
    4 08:45 1 10 BLT 37 Javorius Allen 0 trap left guard
    4 08:22 2 10 BLT 37 Javorius Allen 0 outside zone right end
    4 02:35 1 10 CLV 27 A.Collins -3 outside zone (pitch) right end
    4 00:05 1 10 BLT 45 A.Collins 13 trick play left end
    5 07:26 2 2 BLT 15 A.Collins 6 trap right guard
    5 06:43 2 10 BLT 21 Javorius Allen 6 outside zone right end
    5 05:29 1 10 BLT 47 A.Collins 4 (17) inside zone left tackle
    5 05:02 1 16 BLT 41 L.Jackson 4 power middle center

    Added some formatting to improve readability. Added timestamps to make filmwatching easier. Added LoS and rusher information. Added direction and hole as specified by NFL play-by-play.

    Might take a look at the film tonight to add # of defenders in box, but I'm not exactly jumping at the chance to rewatch the game. If someone else wants to do it, I can send you a spreadsheet/CSV version of the data to make recording easier.
    I tried to use the table and failed lol.
    "Cause if you ain’t pissed off for greatness, that just means you’re okay with being mediocre, and ain’t no man in here okay with just basic.”
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  12. Re: Review of Sunday's Run Game

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    I tried to use the table and failed lol.
    It's not easy. This time I wrote code that did it for me, then copied it over. Making tables takes roughly 30% of my post-writing time.
    Shared Google Folder with Ravens spreadsheets, nextGen charts, and more! Please share my content! (attribution to Twitter requested)

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