can someone please explain why the...

[ddr_jr]

Looked like Mayfield was getting the ball out quicker. Especially when he first got in the game throwing them darts. Dropback, see it, throw it.

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[WrongBaldy]

Stop the madness.

Mayfield is simply a superior QB.

On the re-watch, Mayfield simply avoided the blitz and/or got the ball out quicker.
He was willing to throw into tight windows.
He kept his eyes downfield when he moved outside the pocket.

The game has never slowed down for Taylor and he struggles to read defenses.

Taylor was blitzed on 13 of 18 (72%) dropbacks and completed 22% (40% adjusted) of his passes for 0.6 YPA while blitzed.
When not blitzed, he completed 40% (50% adjusted) for 2.8 YPA.
This. Is. Awful.

Mayfield was blitzed 13 of 24 (54%) dropbacks and completed 69.2% (91.7% adjusted) of his passes for 7.9 YPA while blitzed.
When not blitzed, he completed 80% (90% adjusted) for 9.8 YPA.



adjusted = does not count drops, bats and throw-aways as attempts

i dont know whe you are or where you came from but you get rep!

[Culex]

Another good point here as well Russell Wilson linemen have said as such about his style of play they have to be able to account for him because he moves a lot


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Well RW looks to pass before running. I think his OL just sucks lol

[arnie_uk]

Lmao, everybody crowning this guy after one game. Lmao. He will be looking up at Lamar Jackson for years! Lmao

I wonder how long itl take you to realise...

[boller4president]

Stop the madness.

Mayfield is simply a superior QB.

On the re-watch, Mayfield simply avoided the blitz and/or got the ball out quicker.
He was willing to throw into tight windows.
He kept his eyes downfield when he moved outside the pocket.

The game has never slowed down for Taylor and he struggles to read defenses.

Taylor was blitzed on 13 of 18 (72%) dropbacks and completed 22% (40% adjusted) of his passes for 0.6 YPA while blitzed.
When not blitzed, he completed 40% (50% adjusted) for 2.8 YPA.
This. Is. Awful.

Mayfield was blitzed 13 of 24 (54%) dropbacks and completed 69.2% (91.7% adjusted) of his passes for 7.9 YPA while blitzed.
When not blitzed, he completed 80% (90% adjusted) for 9.8 YPA.



adjusted = does not count drops, bats and throw-aways as attempts

Those stats are misleading. The NYJ pass rush was gassed. They weren't getting anywhere near mayfield even when blitzing I can't even remember seeing him touched in the 2nd half.

A big part of that is on Darnold. I think his first four drives of the 2nd half were PUNT, Turnover, PUNT, PUNT. Mayfield was having long drives then getting right back onto the field.

With that being said Mayfield played extremely well obviously he can't control the pass rush but anyone who watched the game saw the difference in the quality of the pass rush of the two halfs. Don't tell me it was Mayfiled getting rid of the ball quicker either when he was releasing the ball there was not a defender in sight.

[BigPlayReceiver]

Those stats are misleading. The NYJ pass rush was gassed. They weren't getting anywhere near mayfield even when blitzing I can't even remember seeing him touched in the 2nd half. A big part of that is on Darnold. I think his first four drives of the 2nd half were PUNT, Turnover, PUNT, PUNT. Mayfield was having long drives then getting right back onto the field.

Mayfield got hit on a FF and a sack.
But sure, when you don't hold on to the ball, or don't panic, or find the open man then yeah, you pretty much won't get hit unless it's a blown assignment or a penalty.

I don't see any convincing evidence of NYJ's defense being gassed either.
After the first half, NYJ's defense had halftime plus 2m 35s to rest up.
After that, the drives were 4:50 (CLE), 1:16 (NYJ), CLE (0:56), NYJ (1:50) --there's no advantage there.
In fact, NYJ gave up CLE's 2nd 2H TD after being off the field for 12 plays and 6m 46s.

With that being said Mayfield played extremely well obviously he can't control the pass rush but anyone who watched the game saw the difference in the quality of the pass rush of the two halfs. Don't tell me it was Mayfield getting rid of the ball quicker either when he was releasing the ball there was not a defender in sight.

I know that you know that any pass rush will look ineffective if the QB doesn't have the ball, so I really don't know what you're saying here.

Mayfield's average time to throw was 2.56 secs. Taylor's 3.05.

While holding the ball less than 2.5 secs: Mayfield was 15 of 16 on his 16 dropbacks; Taylor was 1 of 6. Mayfield was far more efficient.
Quick developing plays helped, but he also was very accurate downfield. I've already mentioned some of the reasons.

While holding the ball 2.5 secs or more: Mayfield was 2 of 7 (1 sack); Taylor was 3 of 8 (2 sacks).
They were both far less effective just like all QBs in recent history with Wilson being an exception that comes to mind.

[Goode05]

Mayfield got hit on a FF and a sack.
But sure, when you don't hold on to the ball, or don't panic, or find the open man then yeah, you pretty much won't get hit unless it's a blown assignment or a penalty.

I don't see any convincing evidence of NYJ's defense being gassed either.
After the first half, NYJ's defense had halftime plus 2m 35s to rest up.
After that, the drives were 4:50 (CLE), 1:16 (NYJ), CLE (0:56), NYJ (1:50) --there's no advantage there.
In fact, NYJ gave up CLE's 2nd 2H TD after being off the field for 12 plays and 6m 46s.



I know that you know that any pass rush will look ineffective if the QB doesn't have the ball, so I really don't know what you're saying here.

Mayfield's average time to throw was 2.56 secs. Taylor's 3.05.

While holding the ball less than 2.5 secs: Mayfield was 15 of 16 on his 16 dropbacks; Taylor was 1 of 6. Mayfield was far more efficient.
Quick developing plays helped, but he also was very accurate downfield. I've already mentioned some of the reasons.

While holding the ball 2.5 secs or more: Mayfield was 2 of 7 (1 sack); Taylor was 3 of 8 (2 sacks).
They were both far less effective just like all QBs in recent history with Wilson being an exception that comes to mind.

Where and how do you find all of these Stats BPR?


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[boller4president]

Mayfield got hit on a FF and a sack.
But sure, when you don't hold on to the ball, or don't panic, or find the open man then yeah, you pretty much won't get hit unless it's a blown assignment or a penalty.

I don't see any convincing evidence of NYJ's defense being gassed either.
After the first half, NYJ's defense had halftime plus 2m 35s to rest up.
After that, the drives were 4:50 (CLE), 1:16 (NYJ), CLE (0:56), NYJ (1:50) --there's no advantage there.
In fact, NYJ gave up CLE's 2nd 2H TD after being off the field for 12 plays and 6m 46s.



I know that you know that any pass rush will look ineffective if the QB doesn't have the ball, so I really don't know what you're saying here.

Mayfield's average time to throw was 2.56 secs. Taylor's 3.05.

While holding the ball less than 2.5 secs: Mayfield was 15 of 16 on his 16 dropbacks; Taylor was 1 of 6. Mayfield was far more efficient.
Quick developing plays helped, but he also was very accurate downfield. I've already mentioned some of the reasons.

While holding the ball 2.5 secs or more: Mayfield was 2 of 7 (1 sack); Taylor was 3 of 8 (2 sacks).
They were both far less effective just like all QBs in recent history with Wilson being an exception that comes to mind.

How many times was Taylor hit or hurried that will tell you how close the pass rush was to getting to both quarterbacks. Unfortunately, sacks are not all that meaningful. I'm also not advocating in favor of Taylor just that the comparison is unfair considering the quality of pass rush Taylor faced and that of Mayfield.

And you are right I forgot he got sacked/hit on his fumble but can you remember any others? I can't. Like I said there wasn't a defender near him most plays credit him for hitting his targets but moving forward most Qb's will be successful given the amount of time Mayfield got in the second half even the 2nd tier guys like Bortles. So I just think people need to be honest. I cab't find the data but I don't need to look up the hurries and hits I saw the difference with my eyes

[NOLARavenFAN]

Because football is a game of emotion? I mean duh. How long have you been watching the Ravens to ask of question....lol

...browns OL looked like garbage when tygod was in there but then looked completely different once Baker HOF came into the game?

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[BigPlayReceiver]

Where and how do you find all of these Stats BPR?

Behind PFF's pay wall...as annoying as it is.

[BigPlayReceiver]

How many times was Taylor hit or hurried that will tell you how close the pass rush was to getting to both quarterbacks. Unfortunately, sacks are not all that meaningful. I'm also not advocating in favor of Taylor just that the comparison is unfair considering the quality of pass rush Taylor faced and that of Mayfield.

And you are right I forgot he got sacked/hit on his fumble but can you remember any others? I can't. Like I said there wasn't a defender near him most plays credit him for hitting his targets but moving forward most Qb's will be successful given the amount of time Mayfield got in the second half even the 2nd tier guys like Bortles. So I just think people need to be honest. I cab't find the data but I don't need to look up the hurries and hits I saw the difference with my eyes

C'mon man. I don't live in CLE, I didn't go to OU, and Tyrod didn't roll-up on my girl at Va Tech. This is a hobby--from which only a small fraction of folks around here benefit--and I'm certainly not one of them. Nobody comes here to be dishonest.


I re-watched the game (with some interruptions), and I do think that the play-calling may have aided Mayfield the most---he had to execute though.

Makes me think that Tyrod (as a vet QB) and Haley were fools for staying on script after the first or second series. That said, I like to think that Haley would have adjusted at the half for Tyrod as well. Taylor's career accuracy is right inline with Joe's, but he's been sacked more frequently as a starter, so who knows.

[Ed and Ray]

...browns OL looked like garbage when tygod was in there but then looked completely different once Baker HOF came into the game?

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Thought I was the only one that seen this.