Hypothetical Scenario Flacco vs Jackson vs Tyrod

**filthflarnfilth** · 05-22-2018, 09:38 AM

It’s 2008. The Ravens need a quarterback. All three of these guys are available. Let’s use Joe as the control benchmark. What’s the career arc girl Tyrod and Lamar given the same weapons and coordinators that Joe had. How many rings do we win?

**cjandrze** · 05-22-2018, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by filthflarnfilth

It’s 2008. The Ravens need a quarterback. All three of these guys are available. Let’s use Joe as the control benchmark. What’s the career arc girl Tyrod and Lamar given the same weapons and coordinators that Joe had. How many rings do we win?

Same exact weapons, just tyrod or Lamar at qb?

If say we still only win the 1 SB then. And there's a chance not even that one, since that win in Denver was pure luck.

**Culex** · 05-22-2018, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by cjandrze

Same exact weapons, just tyrod or Lamar at qb?

If say we still only win the 1 SB then. And there's a chance not even that one, since that win in Denver was pure luck.

Why was the win in Denver luck? If anything Denver was lucky to not have lost by more than they did.

**filthflarnfilth** · 05-22-2018, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Culex

Why was the win in Denver luck? If anything Denver was lucky to not have lost by more than they did.

I think Lamar Jackson with Mcgahee and Ray Rice and Bolton is worth 3 titles.

**leachisabeast** · 05-22-2018, 10:24 AM

The troll is at it again

**GOTA** · 05-22-2018, 10:34 AM

How can anyone possibly answer this question before LJ has played in the NFL?

I like Tyrod but I don't see him going on that run that Flacco had in 2012 to win the Super Bowl. TT seems to be more consistently average than Flacco but he lacks the ability to be great for any length on time like Flacco was in the 2012 playoffs.

**usmccharles** · 05-22-2018, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by filthflarnfilth

I think Lamar Jackson with Mcgahee and Ray Rice and Bolton is worth 3 titles.

Why you selling LJ short, Its a least 6 titles

**JimZipCode** · 05-22-2018, 11:05 AM

Agree with GOTA, Hypothetical Tyrod doesn't do anything for us that Joe didn't do.

Hypothetical Lamar is an interesting question. He hasn't proven anything yet: he'll have to develop to be as good as Tyrod, let alone Joe. HOWEVER. Our 2008 team was very, very strong. Joe was the weak link; he was solid for a rookie, but still just a rookie QB. It LJ as a rookie could be about 80%+ of the passer that Joe was as a rookie, then you could make a solid case that his rushing ability could have gotten us over the hump against Pittsburgh.

So even without becoming a "good" QB, Hypothetical Lamar could maybe have stolen a SB win in 2008, with playmaking ability and just enough passing. That D was championship caliber; Lamar would turn the 3-headed monster into a 4-headed monster, and he can throw. So it's possible that Lamar could be "one ahead" of Joe after their respective rookie seasons. Maybe. (In real life Lamar was 11 yrs old at the time.)

Beyond a hypothetical splash impact as a rookie making plays with his legs and throwing enough, LJ would have to develop significantly as a passer to be able to do as much as Joe did 2009-12. We'll see how that goes.

**cjandrze** · 05-22-2018, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by filthflarnfilth

I think Lamar Jackson with Mcgahee and Ray Rice and Bolton is worth 3 titles.

Come on man.

Im as excited for Lamar as anyone, but 3 titles? We haven't even seen this kid play a down yet.

**cjandrze** · 05-22-2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Culex

Why was the win in Denver luck? If anything Denver was lucky to not have lost by more than they did.

That toss up to win the game came down to pure luck. It was not an accurate throw, just really long. Jacoby used his body to catch the ball. Raheem was about a step away from defending and could have if he took the right line.

All pure luck. Still one of my favorite plays of all time.

**filthflarnfilth** · 05-22-2018, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by cjandrze

Come on man.

Im as excited for Lamar as anyone, but 3 titles? We haven't even seen this kid play a down yet.

We beat Pittsburgh in 2008 with LJ. Too much speed at the qb position.
I believe we win the super bowl that year. We definitely win in 2012 and again in 2014. Lj is that good!