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Thread: How good will the Ravens be
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05-20-2018, 06:48 PM #97Legendary Asswipe
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05-20-2018, 07:03 PM #98
Re: How good will the Ravens be
Never discounted the kids passing ability. I’m a die hard FSU fan. I’ve watched Lamar play. Petrino used Lamar in the best way possible. He changed his offense to suit his QB. Maybe the Ravens can get him to come here in a year or two. Harbage doesn’t know how to scheme a picnic.
One more time for the cheap seats...I wasn’t knocking Lamar in any way. A poster asked another if they would judge any other draft pick w/o seeing them play. I said Lamar isn’t like any other draft pick. I hope he is the exception to the Heisman winning , best overall athlete , QB from college that comes to the pros. Most of them do not have great success in the NFL. I do hope the guy does great here. He’s a Raven. If he was a Steeler I’d never talk about him.
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05-20-2018, 08:53 PM #99Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: How good will the Ravens be
How many QB's do you know that made it in the NFL after being drafted in the first round, there have been plenty of busts throughout history, before we anoint him let's see how he does. I hope he does great but until I see a few years of him playing good ball there is no way in hell I am going to think he will be the Ravens QB answer after Flacco!!
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Re: How good will the Ravens be
No you're right. You didn't knock Lamar's passing directly. However when you referred to him as QB you've only mentioned his running. You describe him as a "run option" QB and you've said...Here speak of him as if he's defined only by his running.
No disrespect intended, but saying your not doing something doesn't mean that if you're actually doing it that people are going to go by your declaration that you're not doing it. Your knocking Lamar based on anecdotal historical precedents but at the same time you're saying you hope that he's the exception to said anecdotal historical precedents but you haven't said anything directly about his individual actual skillset other then his running.
And my we're having one of those interweb miscommunications but all i'm saying is that Lamar is more then just a dynamic runner.
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05-20-2018, 09:31 PM #101
Re: How good will the Ravens be
No harm no foul Dude. You’re right. I’ve never commented on his passing. Kids real good. Both at passing and running. For me ...wether by design or ability...he runs to much in college. We all know he won’t rush for 1000 yds as a Pro. I don’t want to see his career cut short on a run play. I’d like to see him use that explosive speed to escape sacks ( something Joe doesn’t do ) and then either rip it down field or turn on the jets and run ( outa bounds hopefully ). He’s not small like Wilson or Manzel or RG3. He can stand in the pocket and be a “traditional “ QB. My biggest fear is he’s like history says he will be. Guess we’ll all find out in about 2 months when camp starts!
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05-21-2018, 12:12 AM #102Four-eyed Raven
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05-21-2018, 01:09 AM #103
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Re: How good will the Ravens be
If Joe does not drastically improve, Lamar will be starting in 2019.
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05-21-2018, 02:40 AM #105
Re: How good will the Ravens be
Ehh the fans will be patient with him, if we can endure Flacco we can definitely take growing pains with LJ. I wouldn't be surprised if he has accuracy issues early on and has to rely a lot on his athleticism. But I definitely think he's going to be an improvement in the long term. Look, defenses can sit in coverage all day against Flacco, defenders can put all their focus on covering and and rushers can put all their focus on pure pass rushing. With LJ it's a whole different ball game, if you are only focused on coverage you are going to give him a seam to take off, if you are only worried about pass rushing you are going to allow him to break contain and scurry up the sideline, and on handoffs you can't just swarm the ball carrier, you have to be fully aware that LJ can hit you with a ball fake and then take off.
LJ is such a headache to play because he can hurt you so many different ways, if he proves to be a serviceable passer he can really be special. Plus in the redzone he's a nightmare, how many FG's turn into TD's with LJ's agility and acceleration, the play can be dead in the water, everybody blanketed, BOOM LJ takes off and nobody has the agility in space to keep him out of the endzone. How many times did we see that at Louisville? The same way Cam Newton can bulldoze his way in around the goalline, LJ can make people miss.
If you want a Basketball analogy Cam Newton is a Lebron type, bigger and more athletic, well rounded (Not comparing him to Lebron in terms of impact, just style). Russell Wilson is like Steph Curry, cunning, agile but can hit you with the quick release and pin point accuracy despite being undersized. LJ is like young Russell Westbrook, he couldn't shoot well early on (Much like LJ isn't the greatest thrower) but he's faster, more agile, and more explosive than everybody else he plays. Just like how Westbrook became a respectable shooter in time hopefully LJ will become a respectable passer.Last edited by sflegend89; 05-21-2018 at 02:51 AM.
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05-21-2018, 07:04 PM #106Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: How good will the Ravens be
There is big difference in whether a QB runs by design of the offense and whether he chooses to run. Petrino building Lamar's dynamic ability into the run game was smart but the frequency with how often Lamar was asked to run has got nothing to do with Lamar's style of play it was the style of the offense (and it was smart).
I don’t want to see his career cut short on a run play. I’d like to see him use that explosive speed to escape sacks ( something Joe doesn’t do ) and then either rip it down field or turn on the jets and run ( outa bounds hopefully ). He’s not small like Wilson or Manzel or RG3. He can stand in the pocket and be a “traditional “ QB. My biggest fear is he’s like history says he will be. Guess we’ll all find out in about 2 months when camp starts!
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Re: How good will the Ravens be
You mean Harbaugh is going to pull a Mike Shanahan and play his QB knowing he has a torn LCL? Then have falling out with him the year follow his offseason knee surgery then go scorched earth on him when he gets fired? That's what happened to Griffin. Also, Griffin and Lamar are vastly different QBs as prospects. Lamar comes from a pro-style passing offense at Louisville and Griffin came from an air raid spread. Griffin was straight line speed runner, Lamar is a dynamic open field make you miss runner. Griffin was hurt in college w/ a torn ACL. Lamar wasn't injured in college.
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