Toronto Madmen Mows Down Innocent Civilians

[ravenmaniac4life]

It's not inconsequential though. If you're trying to frame a debate it is important to be as accurate as possible because people you're trying to convince will get caught up in things like that. While we see your point, it does make it look like you're trying to pull one over on people.

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What was inaccurate?

[OhThePossibilities]

I can see it now. Dozens mowed down by out of control dog sled.

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Hockey player scalds crowd with Tim Horton's coffee, uses skates to stab opposing team.

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[ravenmaniac4life]

You provided some examples where concealed carry worked out and one in the US where it didn't.

That's not really analysis. That's picking and choosing events to construct a narrative supporting your hypothesis.

It could easily be countered by saying, "Florida and Nevada both allow concealed carry and between Parkland, Pulse nightclub, and the Harvest festival, it was ineffective."

In that exchange though, neither side has proven anything.

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So...you think more security wouldn’t work?

[OhThePossibilities]

So...you think more security wouldn’t work?

Or...is “more analysis” all that is needed. You’re not really being specific.

Are we just defining "security" as armed civilians (which we have many places, but you can't force more people to carry) or are we talking security checkpoints at schools? At malls? Hotels so nutjobs can't go all Harvest Festival? Waffle Houses?

I don't think anyone wants to live in a police state.

I'd say we need a lot of analysis. There is no simple answer.

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[ravenmaniac4life]

Are we just defining "security" as armed civilians (which we have many places, but you can't force more people to carry) or are we talking security checkpoints at schools? At malls? Hotels so nutjobs can't go all Harvest Festival? Waffle Houses?

I don't think anyone wants to live in a police state.

I'd say we need a lot of analysis. There is no simple answer.

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Security in general. An airport isn’t a police state. A bank isn’t a police state.

IMO, more people should definitely arm themselves as well.

Studies show that guns are used in a defensive manner against crimes far more than they are used by criminals to commit crimes. We just don’t hear about it.

[CarrollCoRaven]

Security in general. An airport isn’t a police state. A bank isn’t a police state.

IMO, more people should definitely arm themselves as well.

Studies show that guns are used in a defensive manner against crimes far more than they are used by criminals to commit crimes. We just don’t hear about it.

Here you go.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/24/cd...nti-gun-lobby/

[ravenmaniac4life]

Here you go.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/24/cd...nti-gun-lobby/

NPR just brought up the Kleck study recently and disputed it. Little did NPR know that the CDC confirmed it awhile ago, but never released their findings?

Hmmmm...

Would I be going out on a limb to say that the CDC’s discretion was politically motivated?

In that exchange though, neither side has proven anything.

Proof:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/24/cd...nti-gun-lobby/

[NCRAVEN]

Control would be the removal of guns from the population.

No that would be confiscation.

Sensibility would be the analysis of what mods and accessibility allow for mass shooters to effectively kill more people than they would with say a handgun, shotgun, or standard rifle that you would use for hunting or target practice, and the implementing of laws to make them less accessible, as is happening with bump stocks.

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That's like saying you're not for "abortion" you're "pro-choice".

[Ortizer]

What was inaccurate?

Perhaps accurate was a poor word choice. It seems like it's intended to mislead since it was comparing two different sets of countries.

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[ravenmaniac4life]

Perhaps accurate was a poor word choice. It seems like it's intended to mislead since it was comparing two different sets of countries.

The real purpose of the comparison was to show that in over 2 decades, 98 mass shooting deaths in 3 countries that were perceived to have a gun problem. 22 years...98 deaths. Compare that to almost 150 fatalities by vehicle rampage in 1/7th the amount of time in the EU...where gun laws are some of the strictest in the world.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/new...ttacks-europe/


Europe is the best example of what not to do as a nation and it's being proven everyday. People who want to kill, will kill and will use any means necessary to do so because they already are.

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

If anyone is going to take cars away, it would be the Canadians.

Smh

[GreatWhiteNorthRaven]

Very tragic story. It happened right outside my brothers office and he walks by that spot to get to the subway everyday. As soon as I heard the area I cringed because I knew that's where he worked.

It is the type of incident that really does show that you just can't control tragedies like this. It's also a reminder - always tell the ones you love that you love them because you just never know anymore what could happen on any given day.