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Re: War on Drugs: Good or Bad?
Some people have natural addictive personalities too. They can't help it.
It's common knowledge that a lot of drugs can enhance dopamine production in the human brain, which is a huge psychological/physiological cause for "feeling good" or "reward".
I tore my shoulder when I was in the Navy and I got a prescription of percoset (sp?). I took it until I could deal with the pain in my shoulder, but I dont have an addictive personality, so it didn't really "hook" me. Another friend of mine has an insatiable addictive personality...for damn near anything. Weed, booze, cigarettes, gambling, porn, opioids, coffee...he's the type of person that shouldn't ever try anything that's going to increase dopamine levels because he's going to just continue to do it. If it isn't one thing, it's something else.
So, while I do agree that with a lot of these people, it is a "choice" and it is certainly one they don't have to make, sometimes it's damn near impossible for these types of personalities to not make that choice. And in many circumstances, people that have those types of addictive personalities need to completely change their life and most of them don't have the means to do so.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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04-23-2018, 10:50 AM #38Veteran Poster
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I am sorry I think that is just complete bullshit about addictive personalities. You would label me with that. I have almost OCD when it comes to taking care of anything I own. Learning something, or something new. But that sure as hell didn't make me an addict with I first tried a Percocet.
It is always a choice and blaming their choice on an addictive personality is just yet another cop out for why they chose to get high. That is no different than some scumbag thief stealing my car and blaming it on his mommy and daddy didn't teach him any better. He wasn't taught not to steal.
This is exactly what is wrong with this country and world in general. Everyone wants to blame their short comings on something or someone else vs owning up and taking responsibility for their actions. That needle is in your arm from a choice and a decision you made plain and simple.
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04-23-2018, 11:52 AM #39Pro Bowl Poster
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I live in Arnold, not far from where this happened. I've been following the story. Where did you here these details? I've only heard he's been charged with vehicular manslaughter and was in possession of a CDS. Nothing about the Narcan.
It wouldn't surprise me if the CDS was an opiod and he was under the influence. There have been a lot of issues lately with that in AA County. An 81 year old woman from Arnold was just killed in a head on collision and the driver of the other vehicle was high. This was I think 10:00 am. I live in a nice neighborhood and we get junkies that will walk through in the middle of the night and steal the change and anything they can sell from your car.
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04-23-2018, 12:01 PM #40Veteran Poster
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The details were shared from a Facebook acquaintance who's husband was first on scene to try and help the boy. Police were said to have administered Narcan not once but twice to this piece of shit in order to revive him. I also read it on Anne Arundel first alert by multiple people who were on the scene. They said Police on scene verbally told them Narcan was used.
They said the boys family including his other brother were beyond distraught from the incident.
I have ZERO sympathy for junkies or addicts. Just a week ago I am pretty sure this guy outside in front of my house was about to get high. He parked in front of my house and got all mouthy when I went out and told him to move the fuck on.
If this piece of shit had not ran over a child, only caused a crash he most likely would not have even faced arrest.
A week ago some junky over dosed in a damn tanning bed at sunset tanning in Pasadena. I heard the call on the radio. They will just get revived and out the door they go. No arrest, no charge. Just absolutely bullshit.
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04-23-2018, 12:03 PM #41Pro Bowl Poster
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On the topic of legalization, I am all for the legalization of marijuana. I think it should be regulated and sold just like alcohol. And all of the same laws applicable to alcohol use should be applied to its use. I don't think it will cut down on the illegal trade of it though because generally the illegal dealers will be selling it cheaper than the regulated dispensaries. But I know that some of these dealers will lace the weed with coke or heroin so they can get their users hooked on that.
The opioid problem really is an epidemic. But I agree with those who say that it's not always a choice. More heroin users now are using because they originally got hooked on a prescription pain killer after an injury or surgery. The doctors are prescribing way too much at once and giving instructions to use it too much. I had ankle surgery years ago and was given a prescription for far more pills than I needed (don't remember exactly how much) and instructions to take the next dose on a schedule before I started to feel the pain. The logic was to "stay ahead of the pain". Well, I took one, slept all night and when I woke up well after my next scheduled dose had passed, I had a mild ache in the ankle and was fine with some Advil. At a recent presentation at the high school they said that combining ibuprofen and acetaminophen is actually more effective than opioids in reducing pain. There are times when you really do need an opioid, but I know if my kids ever have surgery or an injury I will be very cautious with what is being prescribed.
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04-23-2018, 12:54 PM #42Veteran Poster
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On the topic of legalizing pot. There is still monumental problems that arise from that. Dispensaries would then be robbed the same way people are now robbing pharmacies.
You bring up pain killers as an epidemic you are correct. The government could easily fix that problem overnight. But they choose not too. They could impose sanctions on these companies but they don't.
You bring up the aspect of them being somewhat legal if you have a prescription right? Well, you do know there is now a booming market for fake pharmaceuticals right? People go to Mexico everyday to buy stuff because its cheaper than in the US, some real, some fake.
That would be no different than if they legalized pot. People who say its harmless are full of shit and just use that as excuse to get high.
I have a life long friend who only used to smoke weed, he then resorted to pills, he then resorted to Heroin and it was all by choice. This was a guy who swore he would never stick a needle in his arm. he enjoyed being high all the time.
Every single change he made was a choice not someone holding a guy to his head to do it. He would tell you the same thing
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I wouldn't label you with an addictive personality if you didn't exhibit traits of someone with an addictive personality.
Someone can be addicted to a lot of different things...it doesn't have to be drugs. Ever heard the term "adrenalin junkie"? Those are people that are addicted to adrenalin rushes and gravitate towards activities that cause adrenalin rushes...sky diving, bungee jumping, etc.
And addiction isn't a cop out as it has been clinically proven to be a real thing.
Now, you can argue that someone makes the choice to partake in habitual drug use and I would agree with you. I also don't hold any sympathy or empathy for those people. That was their choice, not mine. However, I'm still able to recognize that addictive personalities are a real thing and can strongly impact someone's behavior. It's part of their biology.
Re your comment about someone stealing a car - you're conflating two different things.
Stealing =/= drug use.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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Banks get robbed too. Should we do away with banks? Should there never be any more banks built in any community?
Originally Posted by sawraven1
Opioids and opioid-like substances for medicinal purposes have been used for centuries in various forms.
It is an unfortunate situation in the country right now though.
I think the entire medical industry is too quick to medicate people. Feeling blue? Have a prozac. Can't pay attention? Take some adderal. There are kids in my son's kindergarten class that have been on adderal or something similar for a couple of years. They're kids! They're not supposed to sit still or pay attention to things they don't have an interest in doing.
I tried adderal a few times when I was in college to pull all-nighters for studying/research/papers. That shit was ridiculous. I get it though. That laser-focus was pretty awesome.
Originally Posted by sawraven1
What I will say is that on this particular topic, you're taking a classic leftist tactic on using an emotional response to anecdotal evidence to produce a desired outcome. I don't think you realize you're doing it, but it is certainly coming across that way. Not everything is so black and white (unless you're Filth...then everything is black and white.)Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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04-23-2018, 02:49 PM #45Veteran Poster
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Bullshit in regards to Marijuanna not harmful. Todays society has made it so main stream the way they sensationalize it on TV and social media. Half the kids today wear clothing brands with that stuff on it. It absolutely stunts the development of a teenagers brain. I don't want to hear that bullshit because that is exactly what it is. Conjecture from a daily pot smoker. They are mass marketing it to teenagers.
Yes Sanctions on Pharmaceutical companies. Think back just 15-20 years ago. When I walked into my local CVS or Rite Aid you would wait 15 min to get it filled. The shelves would have a few bags waiting to be picked up. Now, its hundreds of bags on the shelves, they have them stacked on the floors. My CVS used to be 3-4 employees. Now it is almost 20 people back there.
Absolutely ridiculous. That is just in the last 15 years or so.
These doctors are way over prescribing shit. I feel perfectly healthy, i go to a doctor and they will be prescribing me something. Its absolutely ridiculous.
Anyone who sugar coats legalizing drugs spends entirely too much time getting high with them I guess.
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04-23-2018, 03:19 PM #46Pro Bowl Poster
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You stated it was a "myth" that people go to jail for drug possession, including cannabis. This is not true, more than 44,000 people are currently in state prison in the US for drug possession, and many more thousands in county and city jails. The reason I responded to that point specifically is because I found it ironic that you would call me out for spreading myths while you do the same thing in the same sentence.
As for decriminalizing all drugs, the results in other countries that have tried it have been favorable. Its pretty easy to imagine why sending a drug user to prison would not serve any purpose other than a punitive one. Treatment is the more effective, frugal, and humane approach. If drugs like diamorphine (heroin) were prescribed to addicts it would nearly eliminate the violence and overdose risk associated with the black market and tainted drug supply. Not to mention the property crime they cause when raising money for drugs, and the spread of disease like Hep C and HIV. How many gun deaths are caused by fighting over the money these addicts provide? I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't want to dry up that revenue stream.Last edited by New !; 04-23-2018 at 03:28 PM.
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04-23-2018, 03:27 PM #47Hall Of Fame Poster
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That number is so minuscule that it's meaningless. Especially when you try to float out numbers like 80-90%
I noticed about 80-90 percent of the prisoners I was incarcerated with were in jail as a result of non violent drug offenses, either possession, sale, or charges related to addiction (credit card fraud, shoplifting, etc.)
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04-23-2018, 03:38 PM #48Pro Bowl Poster
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The idea that using drugs is a choice is obvious. That doesn't mean it isn't a disease. Lung cancer, diabetes, heart disease, other cancer etc.....can all be caused by lifestyle choices. One day, you will die from something. How would you like it if the doctor came over to you in your hospital bed and said "Hey, fuck you buddy. Maybe you shouldn't have had so many burgers." Or cigarettes. Or maybe you shouldn't have lived near an oil refinery that gave you cancer. It's not the way things work to tell people to fuck off if they get sick.
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