Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

[ravenmaniac4life]

Lucifer/Satan.

Hahaha. That's totally normal. What a wackjob.

[Laxdad24]

Can you name a few?

Norway, Denmark, Finland. Even to an extent Ireland, Belgium and New Zealand although they uses a lot of Socialist ideas and services within a Capitalist Econ. The first 3 are Socialist Econs. Actually India and Albania claim to have a Socialist Econ.


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[CarrollCoRaven]

Norway, Denmark, Finland. Even to an extent Ireland, Belgium and New Zealand although they uses a lot of Socialist ideas and services within a Capitalist Econ. The first 3 are Socialist Econs. Actually India and Albania claim to have a Socialist Econ.


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We were just in Australia and New Zealand for vacation for 3 weeks in Oct/Nov. Don't know much about their economies, but NZ was a beautiful country. Food was a little high but no tipping required in either country which was cool.

[Laxdad24]

We were just in Australia and New Zealand for vacation for 3 weeks in Oct/Nov. Don't know much about their economies, but NZ was a beautiful country. Food was a little high but no tipping required in either country which was cool.

I’ve heard that as well. I believe ( could be wrong) that both countries are “union centric “. Actually reduces the need of a min wage and generally they don’t “encourage “ tipping. Lucky you. My wife is afraid to fly so ..not gonna be headed there any time soon. Lol.


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[wickedsolo]

Wicked, what's the difference between a socialist and a Marxist?

As I stated earlier, he's the most radical POTUS to ever occupy the WH. I've honestly never heard anyone who's not a MSM pundit actually call him moderate until today.

One is typically the pre-cursor to the other.

Socialism has fundamental philosophies rooted in Marxist ideology.

As the old saying goes - "Socialism leads to Communism, Always."

[wickedsolo]

Our Keystone St posting friend was actually pointing out the “socialists “ ideas, promises that Obama after taking office “backed away from “. Rav there is a difference in Marxism and Socialism. Marxist are far more Communist than Socialist. Slight difference but still. A lot of European countries are Socialist/Democracies. They do work. It necessarily here but they do work. Fascism and Communism have been proven not to work.


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Socialism doesn't really work either though. If you look at most of the European countries that have been socialist (Italy, Portugal, Greece, Spain, Norway, Denmark, etc) - almost all of them are bankrupt or on their way to becoming bankrupt.

Socialism, theoretically, could work for a VERY small homogeneous municipality. The reason that could theoretically work is because everyone knows everyone and everyone has a vested interest in the well being of everyone. When you grow the population and introduce different races, cultures, etc...then nobody really knows anyone anymore and that vested interest in well being dissipates.

That's why true socialism would never succeed in the US. We're far too vast and diverse. You think anyone in Nebraska gives a shit about what folks over here in Baltimore are doing? Nope. They don't even speak the same language. So, why would they willingly pay into a government system to support folks in Baltimore? It's illogical and based on false premises.

Additionally, when the government is responsible for practically every facet of our public life (medical, insurance, healthcare, auto, transportation, corporations, education, etc), the government grows far too rapidly because of the need to create more jobs and more departments. The government has no choice but to tax the crap out of its citizens. This then leads into the fact that socialism removes incentive. So, if citizens no longer have incentive to grow a business or advance their own careers, then the economy becomes stagnant and eventually folds because the government runs out of money and the citizens are no longer working.

The reality is that there is no one perfect economic and political system. They're all flawed in one way or another. In fact, many political and economic philosophers (including Milton Friedman) felt that America was a miracle in and of itself for the way we have sustained our way of life going on 250 years. Most governments don't last that long. Most economies don't last that long.

[blah3]

Norway, Denmark, Finland. Even to an extent Ireland, Belgium and New Zealand although they uses a lot of Socialist ideas and services within a Capitalist Econ. The first 3 are Socialist Econs. Actually India and Albania claim to have a Socialist Econ.


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It's not really accurate to say the Scandanavian economies are socialist.

In the Scandinavian countries, like all other developed nations, the means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective uses by the market, not government or community planning.

While it is true that the Scandinavian countries provide things like a generous social safety net and universal healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism. What Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually social democracy, a system in which the government aims to promote the public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of...ian-socialism/

[ravenmaniac4life]

Socialism doesn't really work either though. If you look at most of the European countries that have been socialist (Italy, Portugal, Greece, Spain, Norway, Denmark, etc) - almost all of them are bankrupt or on their way to becoming bankrupt.

Socialism, theoretically, could work for a VERY small homogeneous municipality. The reason that could theoretically work is because everyone knows everyone and everyone has a vested interest in the well being of everyone. When you grow the population and introduce different races, cultures, etc...then nobody really knows anyone anymore and that vested interest in well being dissipates.

That's why true socialism would never succeed in the US. We're far too vast and diverse. You think anyone in Nebraska gives a shit about what folks over here in Baltimore are doing? Nope. They don't even speak the same language. So, why would they willingly pay into a government system to support folks in Baltimore? It's illogical and based on false premises.

Additionally, when the government is responsible for practically every facet of our public life (medical, insurance, healthcare, auto, transportation, corporations, education, etc), the government grows far too rapidly because of the need to create more jobs and more departments. The government has no choice but to tax the crap out of its citizens. This then leads into the fact that socialism removes incentive. So, if citizens no longer have incentive to grow a business or advance their own careers, then the economy becomes stagnant and eventually folds because the government runs out of money and the citizens are no longer working.

The reality is that there is no one perfect economic and political system. They're all flawed in one way or another. In fact, many political and economic philosophers (including Milton Friedman) felt that America was a miracle in and of itself for the way we have sustained our way of life going on 250 years. Most governments don't last that long. Most economies don't last that long.

It's not really accurate to say the Scandanavian economies are socialist.

In the Scandinavian countries, like all other developed nations, the means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective uses by the market, not government or community planning.

While it is true that the Scandinavian countries provide things like a generous social safety net and universal healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism. What Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually social democracy, a system in which the government aims to promote the public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of...ian-socialism/

100% truth.

Ann McElhinney had to explain the EU being broke to a feminist little child at a panel back in 2016, and it was glorious... There is some climate change logic included as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89SonD5lKGU


This is a good listen.

[HbgPARavenfan]

I love HbgPARavenfan and have always enjoyed his posts but he could at least give credit to wherever he got those facts. It would take me forever to type all of that. I'd hate to have to put up the bail money for a plagiarism case against him. I also had no idea one man could get all of that done with a "Pen and a Phone".

I dont know what this means , These arent my ideas or claims... all you have to do is Googe "failed obama promises"

Lol. Google I guess.

That list didn't make any sense either because it proved the point I was making. As Wicked pointed out, almost everything in that list was state sponsored.

That was the entire point of my post.

Our Keystone St posting friend was actually pointing out the “socialists “ ideas, promises that Obama after taking office “backed away from “


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this.

He's the most recent dem so he's going to be viewed as some crazy socialist. People used to think Bill was a commie. 50 years from now no one will even remember anything obama did was my whole point.

[ravenmaniac4life]

50 years from now no one will even remember anything obama did was my whole point.

I thought you were trying to prove that he was a moderate?

Remember when Obama would say "you didn't build that" ? He was basing that on the Socialist and radical idea that no one owns, or should own anything. If you still disagree, read his book, Dreams From My Father. It's all right there in black and white.

Whether or not he will be remembered is up for debate. Obama holds a special place in history because he came in under so much promise, and he fell so short. He's easily considered to be the the most disappointing POTUS in the last 50 years. I gave him a chance when he took office because he was in a unique position, and I thought he would help America. After his first foreign trip, that's when it changed. He exposed himself for what he was going to be.

Also, everything going on right now with regards to FBI/DOJ/DNC corruption happened under his watch. Despite what lack of attention this scandal gets from the MSM, what is happening now has never been uncovered to this extent in American history. To say that it's bigger than any scandal prior is an understatement. BHO is the name that these criminals are protecting. I think his story is ongoing and none of it is good.

[wickedsolo]

100% truth.

Ann McElhinney had to explain the EU being broke to a feminist little child at a panel back in 2016, and it was glorious... There is some climate change logic included as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89SonD5lKGU


This is a good listen.

Awww man....that girl...her parents must be so proud of her. Spending all that time and money earning a Women's Studies degree and doing nothing but regurgitating crap she overheard in some arthaus coffee seminar.

[Captain Silver]

Look, no matter how obstructive Republicans have been in the past, it was over policy.

Looking at today's democratic representation of the people who voted them in office is demoralizing. The mere idea that the "black caucus" can't applaud something as good as highest black employment at the State of the Union was beyond policy. It was hate, spite, and anger over not getting their way.

Top it off, you had one elected official playing Candy Crush, another bolted for the door when his Trumpacitus kicked in during the speech.

They want everything THEIR way, period. Regardless of the damage it does to the American People. Democrats want to start impeachment processes over Trump using his 1st Amendment Right in a closed meeting for allegedly saying "shithole countries". Meanwhile they cannot even behave themselves in public on the biggest stage where the world was watching.

I admit, I liked President Obama. I voted for him twice. I believed in him. Today, I am very disappointed in the man. I was annoyed with some of his policies as I was annoyed with many of the idiot Republican stances. But I feel lied to. All the crap at the FBI, DOJ, and the "holier than thou" when Trump claimed his Tower was being spied on and he was laughed at turned out to be TRUE!

I cannot imagine what we don't know about, but every day more and more evidence emerges of a deep state plot that could only have been devised by one man: Barrack Huessein Obama. I am not sure what the man's machinations were, what is clear to me is the man's legacy is becoming tarnished before our very eyes.

In this, the Democrats MUST employ all tactics possible to divert ALL attention to what was going on. This means CNN and all the bought media spending inordinate amounts of time trying to make Trump the bad guy.

Trump doesn't need help in this. I don't think he is a bad man, but he comes across as a man that believes, like Barack, he knows best and is going to lead the country in the way he sees fit. He really isn't even a Republican, he just took their party from them. If you can't see the genius in this, your ability to read between the lines is seriously weak.

But the largest point to Democratic opposition is that a lot of what Trump is doing, is removing the Deep State and in many ways besmirching what was a popular president, hurting their chances of getting the White House back, or even seeing another minority or even a female in that oval office.

Party is above country for many of the elected, it is just more pronounced on the Democrats in my opinion.