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01-11-2018, 03:55 PM #13
Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
Joe Thomas certainly. And Wright was a decent enough player for a second round pick.
But Edwards and Quinn were not good picks at all. Edwards was picked third overall. He had one good year in his entire career. And it's not like he went somewhere else and became great either. He was out of the league before he turned 30. But in that draft, the Browns, who desperately needed a QB in that draft, decided not to take Aaron Rodgers.
And Quinn? I have no idea why you think he could have been a decent talent. If he was at all good, you would think he might have gone to some other team and at least have been able to play as a backup. He was incredibly inaccurate, and couldn't even beat out other scrubs in Cleveland for the starting job.
I certainly wouldn't point to those two as successes for Savage in Cleveland."Chin up, chest out."
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01-11-2018, 04:00 PM #14Veteran Poster
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Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
It has been multiple Scouting department changes. In 2008 when Harbaugh got here there were 4-5 new scouts that came in. Not sure why the others left, or what happened but it was talked about before.
We lost out 2 head scouts like 4 years ago, they went to the Bears, and are now with the Eagles. Joe Douglas, Andy Weidel, then like a year ago Ian Cunningham. All are now employed with the Eagles who are one of the best teams in football. Had not Wenzt be injured this year i think looking at their first superbowl title.
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01-11-2018, 04:04 PM #15
Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
Yea, the Eagles turned it around in a hurry. They felt like the one NFC team that could beat the Pats/Steelers (maybe NOLA too?). I remember Douglas leaving, but the drafting had already turned before that. I wonder if the guys who cam in with Harbaugh just aren't very good?
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01-11-2018, 04:16 PM #16
Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
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01-11-2018, 04:18 PM #17
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01-11-2018, 04:25 PM #18
Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
2013 and beyond.
Seemingly the same time Barbs got more sway to put his slimy imprint on the team.Burn it down
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01-11-2018, 04:30 PM #19
Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
'12 and '15 were the only really bad drafts.
'13 you got BWill, Juice, Wagner, and Jensen. That's four players who are all right now in the top 10 in the NFL at their positions. Any team would take that haul for one draft.
And '14 has just been snakebit with injuries and the Urschel retirement. Camp, Urban, Gillmore, and Urschel are all legit NFL players. Plus you got Mosley and Jernigan in that draft, which is a solid 1st/2nd rounds.
We haven't had much of a problem getting a number of solid contributing players out of our drafts. The problem has been a lack of superstars. We used to get one every other year. But the last one we actually drafted was Ray Rice. There is nothing to build around right now."Chin up, chest out."
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01-11-2018, 04:41 PM #20Veteran Poster
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Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
Here is the info on the Raven Scouts.
Joe Hortiz (1998-2017)
Milt Hendrickson (2005-2017)
Lonnie Young (2008-2017)
David Blackburn (2007-2017)
Andrew Raphael (2013-2017)
Brandon Bernig (2015-2017)
Dwaune Jones (2016-2017)
Kevin Weidl (2017)
Here are Longtime scouts who departed for the Eagles few years ago
Joe Douglas (2000-2015)
Andy Weidl (2005-2016)
Ian Cunningham (2008-2016)
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01-11-2018, 04:46 PM #21Veteran Poster
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Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
Yeah but take a look at the drafts and the players you are mentioning (Jensen, Wagner, Kyle Jusczyk) were all late round picks. Those are the marginal players who are not usually expected to start right away yet did, and greatly out performed the Busts we picked in the early rounds.
The early round picks are not panning out. That is what the killer is. Those are the guys who we expect to be pro bowlers, immediate impact guys and are not
Look at last two years (Corera, Kafusi, Bowswer, Williams ) are not even active for games.
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01-11-2018, 06:19 PM #22Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
But did the scouts who departed after 2012 do so because Hardballs got power and picked mighty men for special teams instead of studs.
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01-11-2018, 07:32 PM #23
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01-11-2018, 08:05 PM #24Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?
moose, your post reminds me of Occam's razor. "It is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is."
So if the Ravens/Ozzie just stuck to the standard BPA, instead of getting "cute", we'd have a better influx of talent... Bc
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